Apostasy of Rick Warren

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Don’t Bother Mentioning Jesus Christ

Posted by susanb99 on April 23, 2010

On June 16, 2006, Rick Warren spoke at Sinai Temple’s Friday Night Live Shabbat services as part of the Synagogue 3000 program which “aims to revitalize Jewish worship”. And why was Mr. Warren there?

He was there to give a pep-talk to encourage people to worship a false god:

“Warren told [Rabbi Ron] Wolfson his interest is in helping all houses of worship, not in converting Jews……Warren managed to speak for the entire evening without once mentioning Jesus — a testament to his savvy message-tailoring.” (Jewish Journal editor-in-chief)

On page 283 of Rick Warren’s book The Purpose Driven Life , Warren states:

“These words of Jesus [the Great Commission] are not the Great Suggestion. If you are a part of God’s family, your mission is mandatory. To ignore it would be disobedience….God holds you responsible for the unbelievers who live around you…. your mission is to share Jesus with them.”

Warren doesn’t live according to his own words, but he expects others to “do as I say/write, not as I do”? Warren makes it clear at the beginning of the PDL book “It’s not about you”. But of course it is, in more ways than one. It’s about YOU, the people who read the book, but it’s not about ME, Rick Warren, because I’m above all that nonsense (the Great Commission). He obviously does not believe his own words and does not live them.

He goes on in the PDL book (page 284):

“Your mission has eternal significance. It will impact the eternal destiny of other people, so it’s more important than any job, achievement, or goal you will reach during your life on earth.”

More important than any goal? More important than the P.E.A.C.E. plan, Warren’s dominionist goal to achieve world peace? Obviously, the Great Commission takes a back seat (or no seat at all) to his P.E.A.C.E. plan.And he calls himself a Christian? Good works and mentioning Jesus (when it’s “appropriate”) doesn’t cut it.

The Jews today do not worship the true God, the One with a Son, Jesus Christ. They rejected Jesus Christ, God Incarnate. The Jews do not acknowledge the One God in three persons, The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit. They may call him the same as they did before rejecting Jesus, but they worship a false god, one who cannot hear.

NO ONE helps someone worship their false god and then claims to be a Bible-believing Christian. Warren only has faith  in his purpose-driven program and PEACE Plan. His dirty, rotten, stinking, gnat-covered fruit is an abomination.

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John Piper: Why I Invited Rick Warren to the DG Conference

Posted by susanb99 on April 15, 2010

John Piper, the Preaching Pastor at Bethlehem Baptist Church in Minneapolis, MN, has invited Rick Warren of Saddleback Church to speak at Piper’s annual Desiring God Conference to be held in October of this year. This is a very odd coupling, to say the least. Piper is a Calvinist and bas been known for his sound doctrine; Warren has wandered further away from basic biblical teachings and is now a national (international?) poster-boy for progressive, liberal “christianity”.

In this video, Piper tries to answer the question “Why Rick Warren @ the Desiring God 2010 National Conference?”.

Piper was on the phone with Warren and wrote down what Warren says about the Gospel of Jesus Christ:

The Bible is totally inerrant and valuable in every way
Penal substitution is of the essence of the Gospel
God is sovereign and central over all
People are lost; they’re going to hell. I (Warren) am not a universalist; I am an evangelist
The office of women elders and pastors – the Bible says it shouldn’t happen, I’m committed to the Bible, therefore we’re not going to go there.
Repentance – I totally believe in the necessity of repentance and I totally am committed to the call for repentance, though I may not use the word as often as some would want me to.
Emergent Church – I am not emergent

Questions Piper should have asked:

The Bible – Which Bible?
Warren uses The Message written by Eugene Peterson as one of his bibles. The Message is a paraphrase, a man’s liberal interpretation of scripture that doesn’t come close to being God’s Word.

Universalism – If you believe “people are lost and going to hell”, then why don’t you follow Jesus’ command to preach the Gospel?

Repentance – Where is the evidence that repentance is actually part of your overall theology?
See video above, plus many others on youtube.

Piper takes Warren’s words at face value, doesn’t regard any of his errant teachings as red flags. He completely ignores Warren’s blatant waffling on basic Gospel tenants and ignores his inability to present the Gospel to unbelievers.

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Catholic Purpose Driven

Posted by susanb99 on February 13, 2009

Purpose-Driven and the Roman Catholic Church
by Susan Bertalotto
September 2005

How much do you know about the Catholic Church and the followers of Catholicism? Most people are aware that Mary (the mother of Jesus) is on a very high pedestal, that Catholics go to mass every Sunday (the “good” ones, anyway), go to confession at least once a year, and take the Eucharist when at mass. That’s about all I knew as of two years ago, until I moved to Mexico – a VERY Catholic country.

About 95% of the people in the town I live (of approx. 150,000) are Catholic. The rest are protestant, Jehovah’s Witness, or Mormon. It was quite an eye-opener when I observed and understood the rituals and sacraments that the Catholic people put themselves through. Being very religious people, they believe the church – the CATHOLIC church – is the only true way to God. They also believe in Jesus Christ as God’s Son, they believe in the Holy Spirit, they believe a lot of what I believe. In fact, their Bible is very similar to mine. I have a Spanish Bible of the Reina Valera version (like King James version) and I have compared the Latin America Catholic Bible to that version. In John 14:6 of the Catholic Bible, Jesus says “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father except by me.” Also 1st Timothy 2:5 of the Catholic Bible says that Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and man. When I asked Catholic people I know about some of the verses in their bible, each time the answer was “We don’t read the Bible. Why should we? We have The Church.” So they believe what the church has taught them – Mary is the mother of God, Mary is still a virgin and she was ascended into heaven (as Jesus was), Mary is also seen in the form of other idols: Guadalupe, Carmelita, Fatima, etc. (they wear different outfits, but they are all Mary). There are many rituals at Christmas that people are extremely involved in. Some of these rituals cost money; i.e. buying clothes for the “Hijo de Dios” (Son of God), a baby doll that must be put to bed and awakened at intervals (every few days) to change clothes.

The above paragraph gives you a glimpse of what Catholic people will do to ensure that they are “saved”, as followers of a church, NOT followers of Christ. What does this have to do with purpose-driven, you ask? Before I moved to Mexico, I was struck by the PD program as being very “catholic” – do A, B, and C and you are on your way to heaven. Go through all the “rituals” and everyone will disregard what’s inside your heart. Signing the covenants is quite important in a PD church. In the PD church I was very involved with, as a staff-member, cell/small group leader, singles coordinator, we (the whole church) were told to complete the bases (101, 201, 301, 401), sign the covenants, and then we were set, ready to go out and bring others into the church. Some of the people who had completed the bases were cell/small group leaders or ministry leaders and were NOT Christians! It was quite disheartening to see what was happening in that church.

Once I moved to Mexico, and saw first-hand the deception and control that the Catholic church wields toward its followers, purpose-driven started looking more Catholic by the day! PD changes people’s mindset, making them believe that the church is everything. Don’t try to convert people on your own, bring them to the church so it can be done “right”.

“The church” has replaced God.

And then this: I found a page on the official PD site that lists Catholic churches with Protestant churches, listing the Catholic churches using the PD program. Catholics don’t even believe that Jesus Christ is the only way to God! How can they use purpose-driven?? But the answer is easy: the PD program does NOT state what to believe, only what the beliefs are “based” on. So any church (Protestant, Catholic, Muslim, Hindu, Unitarian, etc.) can use PD as a means to bring more unsuspecting “sheep” into their belief system. What happened to the Bible as the only resource for doctrine?? Tossed out like dusty, musty trash!

Excellent article:
Transubstantiation (the Eucharist)
by Mary Ann Collins, A Former Catholic Nun

Purpose-driven site:
Purpose Driven Catholics(link has been removed)
“Helpful” Catholic Links(link has been removed)

What is the difference between Christianity and Catholicism?
There is a very simple difference:

    Christians believe that JESUS CHRIST is the only Way to God, according to the doctrines outlined in the Bible.
    Catholics believe the way to god is through sacraments, priests, Mary, and above all, the Catholic Church.

What does Rick Warren think is the difference?
“…when it comes to the basics, [the beliefs] are pretty much the same.”
(question #36)

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Purpose Driven Church – No Cost Christianity

Posted by susanb99 on February 12, 2009

Purpose Driven Church – No Cost Christianity
by Susan Bertalotto
December 2001

Do the following scenarios sound familiar in YOUR church?

“The pastor is preaching differently. He now preaches ‘sermon series’. And the topics for the next two to three months are printed on a card and mailed to my house. The topics he’s using are from life experiences, and we rarely use our Bibles anymore. We’re not even encouraged to bring our Bibles. It’s like our church changed from ‘preaching from the Bible’ to telling life stories and finding paraphrased scripture to fit the story.”

“We don’t have an ‘altar call’ anymore. People who want to get saved just fill out a card, or prayer is offered, but the pastor says ‘no one wants to embarrass you or put you on the spot, so you don’t need to come down for prayer if you’re embarrassed to do so’. Jesus says in Luke 12:8 that ‘whoever confesses Him before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God’. And isn’t it biblical that people get prayed for? What’s going on?”

“When was the last time we had communion as a church body? Since when can’t we have communion on Sunday morning anymore? If someone gets offended by the remembrance of JESUS (Luke 22:19), are we supposed to stop doing it to make them feel ‘comfortable’?”

The Purpose-Driven Church (PDC) curriculum and book were written by a Southern Baptist named Rick Warren. He is the senior pastor of Saddleback Valley Community Church in Lake Forest, CA. Included in the book are very detailed, step-by-step instructions on how to run the Sunday morning service. It is amazing how the PDC affects the Sunday morning service! There are to be no silences in the service. Everything has to be programmed beforehand so there are no surprises. So there is no place for God. The ‘audience’ is not encouraged to seek God in the Sunday morning service. God is put in a box for an hour and a half while man ‘draws people to God’.

In the beginning, the PDC was created to bring unchurched people into the church, get them saved, and disciple them with the doctrine of the day. The major flaw with that thinking is REMOVING THE HOLY SPIRIT from the equation. Because the Holy Spirit is not a part in bringing people to God (bridge events and ‘comfortable’ services are supposed to take care of that), the Spirit of God is subdued in churches that are ‘Purpose-Driven’.

According to Mr. Warren, ‘There is no such thing as Christian music. There are only Christian lyrics.’ (Purpose Driven Church pg. 282). Shouldn’t the Spirit of God be behind Christian music and lyrics? The PDC book does not refer to the power of the Holy Spirit until the end, seemingly as an afterthought.

IDENTIFYING A PD CHURCH
One way of identifying a PDC is the jargon and acronyms. Here are a few:
Core Meetings, S.A.L.T. Meetings (Salt and Light Together), Bridge Events, BASE Classes (101, 201, 301, 401), baseball diamond classes, ‘Our Target’, Life Development Institute, Seeker Services, Community/Crowd/Congregation/Committed/Core illustration, ‘Growth Without Compromising Your Message & Mission’, S.H.A.P.E. (Spiritual gifts, Heart (Motivation), Abilities, Personality, Experiences), C.L.A.S.S. (Christian Life and Service Seminars).

If your church is PDC, your pastor has access to (and is probably using) the sermons and outlines from Saddleback Church, and is using a paraphrased Bible for scriptural quotes. The sermons and outlines are very much the same as the one you heard last Sunday (and the Sunday before) — usually with points that use the same first letter or are in the form of an acrostic. They are basically assembly-line sermon series . Your pastor did not get these sermons from the Holy Spirit through prayer and fasting! Also included are life-stories, skits, and video clips (perhaps some of them inappropriate to be seen by children).

The bridge events (reaching out to the community) are non-events – inoffensive and innocuous. Jesus and God are usually absent, in Name and in Spirit. Everything is organized and controlled by the church staff to make everyone feel comfortable, and to make the attenders feel ‘happy’.

FEEDING ON MILK
In Romans 8:8, Paul says, “So then those who are living the life of the flesh, catering to the appetites and impulses of their carnal nature, cannot please or satisfy God, or be acceptable to Him.” (The Amplified Bible) Why would we want to please man when God is the One we serve and love?!

Hebrews 5:13-14 “For everyone who continues to feed on milk is obviously inexperienced and unskilled in the doctrine of righteousness, for he is a mere infant, But solid food is for full-grown men, for those whose senses and mental faculties are trained by practice to discriminate and distinguish between what is morally good and noble and what is evil and contrary either to divine or human law.” (The Amplified Bible)

The PDC is designed to keep you wanting the milk, not the meat, of the Word of God. If you want anything more from the teaching in your church, you will be labeled a complainer, a person who is unwilling to help the new Christians who are being spoon-fed.

2 Timothy 4:3-4 says “For the time is coming when people will not tolerate sound and wholesome instruction, but, having ears itching for something pleasing and gratifying, they will gather to themselves one teacher after another to a considerable number, chosen to satisfy their own liking and to foster the errors they hold, And will turn aside from hearing the truth and wander off into myths and man-made fictions.” (The Amplified Bible)

Unfortunately some have chosen to use another way to ‘reach people for Christ’, with distortions, deceptions, and pride. We don’t need man-made programs to help people know they need God. God has already outlined that for us in His Word. There is too much sin, flesh, and garbage between man and God. But we humans, in our infinite wisdom, bombard them even more garbage. Promises to take care of their ‘felt-needs’, promises of ‘no-cost Christianity’. When all they need is JESUS to pull them out of their sin and show them the Way to God. In John 14:6 Jesus says, “I am the WAY and the TRUTH, and the LIFE; no one comes to the Father except through Me.” If we truly believe that, then we must live it. Let’s always keep our focus on what is true, and we will only find that in the Word of God.

NO-COST CHRISTIANITY
‘No-cost Christianity’ is not an option according to the Bible. In the Ministry 301 class, the way a person is supposed to find his spiritual gifts is to fill out a personality profile, find his S.H.A.P.E., and then go into the ministry. But in 2 Corinthians 12:9 the Lord told Paul “My strength is made perfect in WEAKNESS”. God does not glory in our strengths. He glories in our WEAKNESSES, our self-denial (take up My cross and follow Me), our willingness to put away human desires and follow Jesus (humbleness). Worldly and business values teach us to find our strengths and use them to make our mark in this world. But the Bible teaches the exact opposite! Do you know of any time your pastor has taught (on a Sunday morning) that we as Christians must allow God to work through our weaknesses, not our strengths and egos? Most likely not! That is a very unpopular teaching, but it is a very fundamental instruction from the Bible. There is a cost for following JESUS. The cost is completely turning away from SIN, the cost is denying our own desires and following the Word of God, not a compilation of stories to make us feel good. This teaching dulls our spirits, keeps us from seeing the real truth. It may feel good for a time, but in the end it is not satisfying.

God is wanting His people to stand up for His righteousness, not hide under a cloak of ‘niceness’ and ‘feel-good platitudes’. If we truly want others to know God, we must have the BOLDNESS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT to show them who is God.

Read these articles for more information:
The Transforming Church
Market-Driven Church

NEW AGE
Be careful of the material you are being taught in your church through the PDC curriculum since NEW AGE spirituality is the basis for some of the classes and sermons.

WE BUILD PEOPLE
WE BUILD PEOPLE strategy is a Rick Warren-endorsed adaptation of PDC, implemented by the Assemblies of God.

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The Anti-Gospel, Anti-Christ Activist

Posted by susanb99 on September 29, 2008

Rick Warren at 2008 Clinton Global Initiative – Interview by Eboo Patel
(video added 11/8/08)

Last week at the Clinton Global Initiative, Warren was asked how “the church” could help to solve poverty. His response was to rattle off the numbers of Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims and Christians in the world – in that order – and make a plea that the public and private sectors take seriously “the faith sector as the third leg of the stool of successful development”…

 I caught up with Warren after the panel and asked him directly how he thought about religious diversity. He talked to me about his friendship with his Muslim neighbor, and about how excited he was to speak at the upcoming MPAC [Muslim Public Affairs Council] conference in December. He was keenly aware of the important role that Muslims played in helping victims during the genocide in Rwanda, and he was engaging that community in his current efforts in that country…

 When I asked Warren to name something that he admired about Muslims, he answered without hesitation: “you people are not afraid to talk about God, he said with a smile. It’s always, ‘God willing’, or ‘God bless’, or ‘Thanks be to God.’ That’s something I admire, because I come from the same place.” [emphasis added] (article by Eboo Patel Rick Warren, Interfaith Activist” 9/29/08)

Has anyone told Warren or perhaps he hopefully has read it somewhere (the Bible) that Allah, the Muslim god, is not the true living God of the Bible? That “the church”, the one Warren says he belongs to, does not include false religions who worship false dead gods? That Jesus Christ never commanded us Christians to combat poverty (not to be confused with helping people), to erradicate poverty, only to “preach the Gospel to the poor”? That we are not to be unequally yoked with unbelievers?

Rick Warren doesn’t teach sin and repentance, Jesus Christ the Hope of the world. Instead he is an anti-gospel, anti-christ activist, spreading and promoting false religions, lifting them up as the savior of the world by means of the “faith sector as the third leg of the stool of successful development”.  “Successful development” is not the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Warren’s P.E.A.C.E. Plan is not the Gospel. Only the Bible can give us the true Gospel, except Warren doesn’t bother with scripture. He’d rather do it his way, as he says “I come from the same place“, the worship of the Muslim god Allah.

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Rick Warren and Other Contemplative Proponents at Thomas Road Baptist Innovate Church Conference

Posted by susanb99 on August 11, 2008

From Lighthouse Trails:

Rick Warren and Other Contemplative Proponents at Thomas Road Baptist Innovate Church Conference

Contemplative proponents Rick Warren and Lance Witt will be speaking at Thomas Road Baptist Church (home of the late Jerry Falwell) at the Innovate Church conference, starting Monday, August 11th going through Wednesday, the 13th.

Rick Warren, who has been promoting contemplative for over a decade and whose website recommends some of the most blatant mystical promoting books in the Christian market today, will speak Monday night. One of the books featured on Warren’s site right now is Spiritual Disciplines Handbook by Adele Ahlberg Calhoun. This book promotes mantra meditation, giving detailed instructions on several types of contemplative practices. In addition, the author quotes from many New Age sympathizers and New Age contemplatives. In Spiritual Disciplines Handbook, Ahlberg Calhoun encourages the use of centering prayer, breath prayers, contemplative prayer, labyrinths, palms-up, palms-down exercises, and recommends for further reading a who’s who of mystics.

Lance Witt, another speaker at Thomas Road Baptist this week, is pastor of Spiritual Maturity at Saddleback. In an article written by Witt, titled “Enjoying God’s Presence in Solitude,”, Witt says we are “designed to enjoy the presence of God, but that’s easier said than done.” In the article, Witt uses Thomas Merton as an example of someone who knew about solitude. But Merton’s solitude was connected to his Buddhist sympathies. Merton likened contemplative prayer to an LSD trip.

Lighthouse Trails has spoken with Lance Witt, via email, and asked him if the kind of contemplative prayer he taught was a practice in which words or phrases are repeated over and over. He told us that it was indeed this type of prayer he taught.

Tim Clinton will also be speaking at Innovate Church. Clinton is the president of the AACC (American Association of Christian Colleges). This organization has been promoting contemplative spirituality for some time. In the AACC Code of Ethics, which incidentally is sitting on the Liberty University website, it admits that mystic Richard Foster has “influenced” the work at AACC (and Liberty?). 1 (see p. 3) The AACC website promotes the following mysticism-promoting authors: David Benner, John Ortberg, Gary Thomas
in the recent past Leonard Sweet, Dan Allender. In Clinton’s own book, Competent Christian Counseling, he turns to mystics proponents such as Richard Foster, Dallas Willard, New Ager M. Scott Peck and others for spiritual insights. Gleaning from Foster and Willard (p. 421), Clinton says spiritual disciplines, including solitude (contemplative) must be taught.

Dave Earley will also be speaking at the conference this week. Earley is Chairman of the Department of Pastoral Ministries and Church Expansion at Liberty Theological Seminary. In an article on his website that he wrote titled Special Intimacy Prayer, Earley says: “Special intimacy prayer is more than prayer of the lips or of the mind. It is the deep prayer of the heart.” This is where he references Richard Foster’s book, Prayer: Finding the Heart’s True Home. In that book, Foster explains what he means by “prayer of the heart.” He recommends the practice of breath prayer (p. 122) – picking a single word or short phrase and repeating it in conjunction with the breath. This is classic contemplative mysticism (Yungen). Foster adds: “You must bind the mind with one thought” (p. 124). As research analyst Ray Yungen points out, “The goal of prayer should not be to bind the mind with a word or phrase in order to induce a mystical trance but rather to use the mind to glory in the grace of God” (A Time of Departing, p. 75). In that same book, Foster says: “What is the goal of Contemplative Prayer? … union with God…. our final goal is union with God, which is a pure relationship where we see nothing.” But when Foster says “union with God,” he isn’t referring just to the born-again believer. He has stated many times throughout his writings that he believes contemplative prayer is for everyone, not just the believer. It is impossible for an unbeliever to have “union with God.” Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and man.

Related Articles:

Saddleback Church IS a Contemplative Church

Research on Richard Foster and Contemplative Prayer

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McCain and Obama Agree to Attend Megachurch Forum

Posted by susanb99 on July 22, 2008

McCain and Obama Agree to Attend Megachurch Forum

Monica Almeida/The New York Times

The Rev. Rick Warren, on a jumbo television screen, preaching at the Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, Calif. in October 2006.

From The New York Times By JIM RUTENBERG
Published: July 21, 2008

It has taken a man of God, perhaps, to do what nobody else has been able to do since the general election season began: Get Barack Obama and John McCain together on the same stage before their party conventions later this summer.

The Rev. Rick Warren has persuaded the candidates to attend a forum at his Saddleback Church, in Lake Forest, Calif., on Aug. 16. In an interview, Mr. Warren said over the weekend that the presidential candidates would appear together for a moment but that he would interview them in succession at his megachurch.

Word of the forum came as a leading conservative Christian, James C. Dobson, signaled that he might reverse his position and endorse Mr. McCain, The Associated Press reported.

“I never thought I would hear myself saying this,” Mr. Dobson, chairman of Focus on the Family, said for radio broadcast on Monday. “While I am not endorsing Senator John McCain, the possibility is there that I might.”

The forum still falls short of the kind of face-to-face, town-hall-style debates that Mr. McCain, of Arizona, has called for this summer before formal debates scheduled for this fall.

Mr. Warren, the author of the best-selling book “The Purpose-Driven Life,” said he had called each man personally to invite him to his event, which will focus on how they make decisions and on some of Mr. Warren’s main areas of focus, like AIDS, poverty and the environment.

“I just got to thinking, you know what? These guys have never been together on the same stage, it would be a neat way to cap the primary season before they both go to the conventions and things go dark for a couple of weeks,” he said. “I’ve known both the guys for a long time, they’re both friends of mine, and I knew them before they ran for office, so I just called them up.”

He said that both had readily agreed, perhaps reflecting how each candidate is courting the evangelical audience to whom Mr. Warren ministers.

Mr. Warren’s event will have as a co-sponsor Faith in Public Life, the multidenominational religious group that held the Compassion Forum at Messiah College in Grantham, Pa., in April, featuring Mr. Obama and Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton in Pennsylvania during their primary fight. Mr. Warren said he would devise his questions with input from the Muslim, Jewish and Christian leaders associated with the group.

“Since I’m their friend, I’m not going to give them any gotcha questions,” Mr. Warren said, adding that a typical query would be, “What’s the most difficult decision you’ve had to make, and how did you make it?”

Mr. Warren said he would have Mr. McCain and Mr. Obama, of Illinois, appear on stage together momentarily at the event, though, he added, he would also “see if they want to get a little personal time behind the scenes.”

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Saddleback & SoulForce: Rick Warren’s Half Lie?

Posted by susanb99 on June 26, 2008

From Watcher’s Lamp:

The Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender activist group SoulForce released a statement regarding their multiple visits to megachurches, including Southern Baptist Pastor Rick Warren’s Saddleback church. The statement indicated the following:

On Father’s Day 2008, a group of LGBT and straight-ally families attended services at Rick Warren’s Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California. The next day, a smaller group of about 8 families met with pastors and other staff of the
influential mega-church for lunch and an earnest conversation about faith, family, and the status of LGBT people in the church.

 

As previously reported by Watcher’s Lamp, Rick Warren responded to the Soulforce event at the Get Religion blog:

We did not invite this group and I will not be meeting with them. They invited
themselves to draw attention to their cross country publicity stunt. My staff has already told them that neither my wife nor I will meet with them for any discussion or debate. This weekend, both Kay and I are receiving awards from two different universities so we’ll be out of town! Also, it’s Father’s Day and I’m spending the holiday with my children and grandchildren, as are all my staff.

Rick Warren postures himself as if he is philosophically opposed to the visit, but it’s Sunday and the church doors will be open to all who enter. And if that was truly the case, Rick Warren’s comment may have a leg to stand on.

However, Rick Warren’s alibi regarding his absence that weekend fails as a smokescreen. The SoulForce press release reveals the prior planning and coordination that was done months in advance with the megachurches, including Saddleback:

In December 2007, organizers of the project — which is called The American Family Outing — invited the leaders of six mega-churches to match families from their congregations with LGBT and straight-ally families for a meal and
conversation.

 

Bob Bednar of Saddleback participated in the SoulForce event:

“Being there showed me in a powerful way exactly how brave my LGBT team members were to go into that kind of atmosphere and insist that church leaders recognize their pain and start to see it as their own pain, too,” said Bednar.

“As a straight ally, it was inspiring to work alongside them. But the experience
also showed me how far we have to go,” Bednar concluded.

A sympathetic and politically correct statement from a public square Christian that reflects the dialogue of compromise instead of the call for new life in Christ as bought by His blood.

No, Pastor Warren, you may not have been present for the SoulForce event, but it is obvious you left out a few key facts that paint an entirely different picture of your real intent. With the skill of a politician, Warren successfully threads the needle of half-truths regarding the SoulForce visit.

Truly, this duplicity in Warren’s actions reveal the character of his personality, and not the character of Christ whom he claims to represent.

Once again, Watcher’s Lamp asks this question of Southern Baptist Pastor Rick Warren:

You may be out of town this weekend, but as former CEO’s have found out the hard way. . .you are still responsible for what goes on at your Church,
whether you are physically present or not.

Providing that as an excuse, Pastor Warren, seems out of character for such a man who travels in global circles.

You’re certainly going out of your way to make this group feel welcome.
Will you or your staff present
the scandal of The Cross during this two day event?

 


See related articles:Rick Warren Washes His Hands of SoulForce But Saddleback Sets The Table , Rick Warren: Playing Both Sides of the Gay Agenda , Saddleback Set To Entertain Gay Activists , Christian Leader Pays For Speaking Out Against Rick Warren

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Mark Driscoll and Purpose Driven

Posted by susanb99 on April 17, 2008

Rick Warren has scheduled a pastors’ conference at Saddleback Church next month. The aim is to “band together to impact the world” by participating in “a brand-new, world-shattering, myth-busting, ministry-affirming, God-anointed, BY-INVITATION-ONLY event. We’re going to share all the new tools we’ve been developing for you.”

Included in the list of speakers is Mark Driscoll. What is a supposedly Bible-teaching pastor doing at a purpose-driven conference? Teaching the Bible is not one of them. Let’s see, where would Driscoll fit in? (my notes in brackets; emphasis added)

PANEL DISCUSSIONS

Evangelism: …we’ll talk about the importance of personal evangelism, and share what has helped challenge our members to go out in the Community and invite their friends. Let’s talk about reaching out to non-believers in our area and seeing Christ through their eyes.

 [preaching/teaching the Gospel is not part of PD’s Evangelism]

 

Worship: …In this panel we’ll discuss tools for reaching the weekend Crowd, messages geared toward personal application, the advantages of using various venues styles, and preaching for life change…

[non-believers CANNOT worship God; God must be worshipped in spirit and in truth (Jesus Christ)]

 

Fellowship: …we’ll address common goals and problem areas in encouraging our Congregation to connect with the church body…

[in order to produce a cheerfully tithing “giving unit”]

 

Discipleship: …we’ll break down what we’ve found to work, and what doesn’t work, in motivating the Committed individuals within the church body to truly invest in their spiritual growth, and brainstorm on how to get people serious about their faith…

[just look to scripture and “what works” is easy to find; Warren likes to make it seem soooo difficult]

 

Ministry: …we’ll cover how to further push the dedicated Core at the heart of the church to discover their spiritual gifts, how to progress them from finding their S.H.A.P.E. to using it… and preparing them for “works of service so that the body of Christ may be built up”.

[how bogus; the SHAPE program was invented by Warren with the help of the writings of occultist/atheist Carl Jung; it is in no way scriptural]

 

Mission: …Our goal is to spread love, forgiveness, and hope to a lost and hurting world through P.E.A.C.E…

[the love of the world, forgiveness without repentance, and false hope]

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Where does Driscoll fit it? In order to be involved he will have to lay aside scripture and be part of Warren’s plan to change and take over the world. For Christ, supposedly but actually changing the world is for Warren’s benefit and glory. It is sad that Driscoll is mixed up with this lot. Very sad.

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