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John Piper: Why I Invited Rick Warren to the DG Conference

Posted by susanb99 on April 15, 2010

John Piper, the Preaching Pastor at Bethlehem Baptist Church in Minneapolis, MN, has invited Rick Warren of Saddleback Church to speak at Piper’s annual Desiring God Conference to be held in October of this year. This is a very odd coupling, to say the least. Piper is a Calvinist and bas been known for his sound doctrine; Warren has wandered further away from basic biblical teachings and is now a national (international?) poster-boy for progressive, liberal “christianity”.

In this video, Piper tries to answer the question “Why Rick Warren @ the Desiring God 2010 National Conference?”.

Piper was on the phone with Warren and wrote down what Warren says about the Gospel of Jesus Christ:

The Bible is totally inerrant and valuable in every way
Penal substitution is of the essence of the Gospel
God is sovereign and central over all
People are lost; they’re going to hell. I (Warren) am not a universalist; I am an evangelist
The office of women elders and pastors – the Bible says it shouldn’t happen, I’m committed to the Bible, therefore we’re not going to go there.
Repentance – I totally believe in the necessity of repentance and I totally am committed to the call for repentance, though I may not use the word as often as some would want me to.
Emergent Church – I am not emergent

Questions Piper should have asked:

The Bible – Which Bible?
Warren uses The Message written by Eugene Peterson as one of his bibles. The Message is a paraphrase, a man’s liberal interpretation of scripture that doesn’t come close to being God’s Word.

Universalism – If you believe “people are lost and going to hell”, then why don’t you follow Jesus’ command to preach the Gospel?

Repentance – Where is the evidence that repentance is actually part of your overall theology?
See video above, plus many others on youtube.

Piper takes Warren’s words at face value, doesn’t regard any of his errant teachings as red flags. He completely ignores Warren’s blatant waffling on basic Gospel tenants and ignores his inability to present the Gospel to unbelievers.

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Catholic Purpose Driven

Posted by susanb99 on February 13, 2009

Purpose-Driven and the Roman Catholic Church
by Susan Bertalotto
September 2005

How much do you know about the Catholic Church and the followers of Catholicism? Most people are aware that Mary (the mother of Jesus) is on a very high pedestal, that Catholics go to mass every Sunday (the “good” ones, anyway), go to confession at least once a year, and take the Eucharist when at mass. That’s about all I knew as of two years ago, until I moved to Mexico – a VERY Catholic country.

About 95% of the people in the town I live (of approx. 150,000) are Catholic. The rest are protestant, Jehovah’s Witness, or Mormon. It was quite an eye-opener when I observed and understood the rituals and sacraments that the Catholic people put themselves through. Being very religious people, they believe the church – the CATHOLIC church – is the only true way to God. They also believe in Jesus Christ as God’s Son, they believe in the Holy Spirit, they believe a lot of what I believe. In fact, their Bible is very similar to mine. I have a Spanish Bible of the Reina Valera version (like King James version) and I have compared the Latin America Catholic Bible to that version. In John 14:6 of the Catholic Bible, Jesus says “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father except by me.” Also 1st Timothy 2:5 of the Catholic Bible says that Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and man. When I asked Catholic people I know about some of the verses in their bible, each time the answer was “We don’t read the Bible. Why should we? We have The Church.” So they believe what the church has taught them – Mary is the mother of God, Mary is still a virgin and she was ascended into heaven (as Jesus was), Mary is also seen in the form of other idols: Guadalupe, Carmelita, Fatima, etc. (they wear different outfits, but they are all Mary). There are many rituals at Christmas that people are extremely involved in. Some of these rituals cost money; i.e. buying clothes for the “Hijo de Dios” (Son of God), a baby doll that must be put to bed and awakened at intervals (every few days) to change clothes.

The above paragraph gives you a glimpse of what Catholic people will do to ensure that they are “saved”, as followers of a church, NOT followers of Christ. What does this have to do with purpose-driven, you ask? Before I moved to Mexico, I was struck by the PD program as being very “catholic” – do A, B, and C and you are on your way to heaven. Go through all the “rituals” and everyone will disregard what’s inside your heart. Signing the covenants is quite important in a PD church. In the PD church I was very involved with, as a staff-member, cell/small group leader, singles coordinator, we (the whole church) were told to complete the bases (101, 201, 301, 401), sign the covenants, and then we were set, ready to go out and bring others into the church. Some of the people who had completed the bases were cell/small group leaders or ministry leaders and were NOT Christians! It was quite disheartening to see what was happening in that church.

Once I moved to Mexico, and saw first-hand the deception and control that the Catholic church wields toward its followers, purpose-driven started looking more Catholic by the day! PD changes people’s mindset, making them believe that the church is everything. Don’t try to convert people on your own, bring them to the church so it can be done “right”.

“The church” has replaced God.

And then this: I found a page on the official PD site that lists Catholic churches with Protestant churches, listing the Catholic churches using the PD program. Catholics don’t even believe that Jesus Christ is the only way to God! How can they use purpose-driven?? But the answer is easy: the PD program does NOT state what to believe, only what the beliefs are “based” on. So any church (Protestant, Catholic, Muslim, Hindu, Unitarian, etc.) can use PD as a means to bring more unsuspecting “sheep” into their belief system. What happened to the Bible as the only resource for doctrine?? Tossed out like dusty, musty trash!

Excellent article:
Transubstantiation (the Eucharist)
by Mary Ann Collins, A Former Catholic Nun

Purpose-driven site:
Purpose Driven Catholics(link has been removed)
“Helpful” Catholic Links(link has been removed)

What is the difference between Christianity and Catholicism?
There is a very simple difference:

    Christians believe that JESUS CHRIST is the only Way to God, according to the doctrines outlined in the Bible.
    Catholics believe the way to god is through sacraments, priests, Mary, and above all, the Catholic Church.

What does Rick Warren think is the difference?
“…when it comes to the basics, [the beliefs] are pretty much the same.”
(question #36)

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Purpose Driven Church – No Cost Christianity

Posted by susanb99 on February 12, 2009

Purpose Driven Church – No Cost Christianity
by Susan Bertalotto
December 2001

Do the following scenarios sound familiar in YOUR church?

“The pastor is preaching differently. He now preaches ‘sermon series’. And the topics for the next two to three months are printed on a card and mailed to my house. The topics he’s using are from life experiences, and we rarely use our Bibles anymore. We’re not even encouraged to bring our Bibles. It’s like our church changed from ‘preaching from the Bible’ to telling life stories and finding paraphrased scripture to fit the story.”

“We don’t have an ‘altar call’ anymore. People who want to get saved just fill out a card, or prayer is offered, but the pastor says ‘no one wants to embarrass you or put you on the spot, so you don’t need to come down for prayer if you’re embarrassed to do so’. Jesus says in Luke 12:8 that ‘whoever confesses Him before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God’. And isn’t it biblical that people get prayed for? What’s going on?”

“When was the last time we had communion as a church body? Since when can’t we have communion on Sunday morning anymore? If someone gets offended by the remembrance of JESUS (Luke 22:19), are we supposed to stop doing it to make them feel ‘comfortable’?”

The Purpose-Driven Church (PDC) curriculum and book were written by a Southern Baptist named Rick Warren. He is the senior pastor of Saddleback Valley Community Church in Lake Forest, CA. Included in the book are very detailed, step-by-step instructions on how to run the Sunday morning service. It is amazing how the PDC affects the Sunday morning service! There are to be no silences in the service. Everything has to be programmed beforehand so there are no surprises. So there is no place for God. The ‘audience’ is not encouraged to seek God in the Sunday morning service. God is put in a box for an hour and a half while man ‘draws people to God’.

In the beginning, the PDC was created to bring unchurched people into the church, get them saved, and disciple them with the doctrine of the day. The major flaw with that thinking is REMOVING THE HOLY SPIRIT from the equation. Because the Holy Spirit is not a part in bringing people to God (bridge events and ‘comfortable’ services are supposed to take care of that), the Spirit of God is subdued in churches that are ‘Purpose-Driven’.

According to Mr. Warren, ‘There is no such thing as Christian music. There are only Christian lyrics.’ (Purpose Driven Church pg. 282). Shouldn’t the Spirit of God be behind Christian music and lyrics? The PDC book does not refer to the power of the Holy Spirit until the end, seemingly as an afterthought.

IDENTIFYING A PD CHURCH
One way of identifying a PDC is the jargon and acronyms. Here are a few:
Core Meetings, S.A.L.T. Meetings (Salt and Light Together), Bridge Events, BASE Classes (101, 201, 301, 401), baseball diamond classes, ‘Our Target’, Life Development Institute, Seeker Services, Community/Crowd/Congregation/Committed/Core illustration, ‘Growth Without Compromising Your Message & Mission’, S.H.A.P.E. (Spiritual gifts, Heart (Motivation), Abilities, Personality, Experiences), C.L.A.S.S. (Christian Life and Service Seminars).

If your church is PDC, your pastor has access to (and is probably using) the sermons and outlines from Saddleback Church, and is using a paraphrased Bible for scriptural quotes. The sermons and outlines are very much the same as the one you heard last Sunday (and the Sunday before) — usually with points that use the same first letter or are in the form of an acrostic. They are basically assembly-line sermon series . Your pastor did not get these sermons from the Holy Spirit through prayer and fasting! Also included are life-stories, skits, and video clips (perhaps some of them inappropriate to be seen by children).

The bridge events (reaching out to the community) are non-events – inoffensive and innocuous. Jesus and God are usually absent, in Name and in Spirit. Everything is organized and controlled by the church staff to make everyone feel comfortable, and to make the attenders feel ‘happy’.

FEEDING ON MILK
In Romans 8:8, Paul says, “So then those who are living the life of the flesh, catering to the appetites and impulses of their carnal nature, cannot please or satisfy God, or be acceptable to Him.” (The Amplified Bible) Why would we want to please man when God is the One we serve and love?!

Hebrews 5:13-14 “For everyone who continues to feed on milk is obviously inexperienced and unskilled in the doctrine of righteousness, for he is a mere infant, But solid food is for full-grown men, for those whose senses and mental faculties are trained by practice to discriminate and distinguish between what is morally good and noble and what is evil and contrary either to divine or human law.” (The Amplified Bible)

The PDC is designed to keep you wanting the milk, not the meat, of the Word of God. If you want anything more from the teaching in your church, you will be labeled a complainer, a person who is unwilling to help the new Christians who are being spoon-fed.

2 Timothy 4:3-4 says “For the time is coming when people will not tolerate sound and wholesome instruction, but, having ears itching for something pleasing and gratifying, they will gather to themselves one teacher after another to a considerable number, chosen to satisfy their own liking and to foster the errors they hold, And will turn aside from hearing the truth and wander off into myths and man-made fictions.” (The Amplified Bible)

Unfortunately some have chosen to use another way to ‘reach people for Christ’, with distortions, deceptions, and pride. We don’t need man-made programs to help people know they need God. God has already outlined that for us in His Word. There is too much sin, flesh, and garbage between man and God. But we humans, in our infinite wisdom, bombard them even more garbage. Promises to take care of their ‘felt-needs’, promises of ‘no-cost Christianity’. When all they need is JESUS to pull them out of their sin and show them the Way to God. In John 14:6 Jesus says, “I am the WAY and the TRUTH, and the LIFE; no one comes to the Father except through Me.” If we truly believe that, then we must live it. Let’s always keep our focus on what is true, and we will only find that in the Word of God.

NO-COST CHRISTIANITY
‘No-cost Christianity’ is not an option according to the Bible. In the Ministry 301 class, the way a person is supposed to find his spiritual gifts is to fill out a personality profile, find his S.H.A.P.E., and then go into the ministry. But in 2 Corinthians 12:9 the Lord told Paul “My strength is made perfect in WEAKNESS”. God does not glory in our strengths. He glories in our WEAKNESSES, our self-denial (take up My cross and follow Me), our willingness to put away human desires and follow Jesus (humbleness). Worldly and business values teach us to find our strengths and use them to make our mark in this world. But the Bible teaches the exact opposite! Do you know of any time your pastor has taught (on a Sunday morning) that we as Christians must allow God to work through our weaknesses, not our strengths and egos? Most likely not! That is a very unpopular teaching, but it is a very fundamental instruction from the Bible. There is a cost for following JESUS. The cost is completely turning away from SIN, the cost is denying our own desires and following the Word of God, not a compilation of stories to make us feel good. This teaching dulls our spirits, keeps us from seeing the real truth. It may feel good for a time, but in the end it is not satisfying.

God is wanting His people to stand up for His righteousness, not hide under a cloak of ‘niceness’ and ‘feel-good platitudes’. If we truly want others to know God, we must have the BOLDNESS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT to show them who is God.

Read these articles for more information:
The Transforming Church
Market-Driven Church

NEW AGE
Be careful of the material you are being taught in your church through the PDC curriculum since NEW AGE spirituality is the basis for some of the classes and sermons.

WE BUILD PEOPLE
WE BUILD PEOPLE strategy is a Rick Warren-endorsed adaptation of PDC, implemented by the Assemblies of God.

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More on Warren & That JESUS Thing

Posted by susanb99 on January 27, 2009

More on Rick Warren & That JESUS Thing
by Susan Bertalotto
January 2009

In my previous article, I wrote about Rick Warren praying to God in Isa’s name, along with Jesus’ Name. There are some in the blogosphere who claim that Jesus Christ and Isa (the Muslim jesus) are one and the same. Obviously Warren believes that also, otherwise he wouldn’t have lumped Jesus Christ and Isa together. Warren was pandering to the Muslims by using their version, their perception, of a jesus. He knew exactly what he was doing. Why wouldn’t he use Jesus’ name only in English? It would have made it biblical, and more clear. But Warren is not known for being clear in his apologetics; he is known for his ignorance and sloppiness. “Fence-straddler” is his middle name.

He also used the name “Jesús”, which in Spanish, is a direct translation for Jesus. Isa is not a direct translation and if you use Isa with a Muslim, s/he will not believe you are speaking of the Mediator between God and men. S/He will believe, rightly so, that you speak of the Muslim jesus, a substitute for Jesus Christ. One blogger contends that Jesus and Isa are the same, but Isa’s history has been “corrupted” over the years. I fully understand translations and how limiting some words can be since I live in Mexico. If the translation “Isa” was corrupted over the years, so be it. That doesn’t make it any more scriptural to pray in the name of a false god. The name of Jesus has been translated into many languages from the Hebrew, but in the case of the Arabic word Isa, it is not the same as Jesus Christ or Yeshua.

Anyone who says they are one and the same is believing a lie. This is not a minor point — Jesus Christ is the very foundation, the Cornerstone of Christianity. There is a reason that Christians pray to the Father in Jesus’ Name — because of Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross for our sins which enables us to humbly come before the Father. Since when does Isa get the credit ?? Allah does not have a Son named Jesus. Neither does he have a son named Isa. But the true God does have a Son. BIG difference.

If you throw out Who God Is, you can agree with anyone. And pay the price.

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That JESUS Thing

Posted by susanb99 on January 24, 2009

That JESUS Thing
by Susan Bertalotto
January 2009

…there is none other name … whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:12

I was explaining God’s plan of salvation to a young man. He stopped me short when I said the name of Jesus. “Wait a sec!”, he said. “Are you saying that there isn’t any other path to God except Jesus Christ?!” “Yes”, I replied. “That’s exactly what I’m saying.”

His answer: “I don’t know about “that Jesus thing”! I know there’s a God… but JESUS?!! No way! That’s too hard!”

There is only One Way to the One True God — Jesus Christ.

Jesus said unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6

He is the cornerstone of the Christian faith. Any other name is just a name, a false god. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the power of God unto salvation. Christians, or evangelicals as they are often called, must adhere to the beliefs or doctrine of the Bible, the Word of God, in order to be considered Christians.

Unfortunately, some “Christians” have taken the broad road to destruction, all the while claiming to be on the strait, narrow Way of Jesus Christ. A clear example is given by Rick Warren, the pastor of Saddleback Church, who wrote The Purpose Driven Life. He gave the invocation at Barack Obama’s inauguration on January 20th. In the invocation, Warren prayed to “god”:

Almighty God — our Father. Everything we see, and everything we can’t see, exists because of you alone. It all comes from you. It all belongs to you. It all exists for your glory. History is your story. The Scripture tells us, ‘Hear, Oh Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is one.’ And you are the compassionate and merciful one. And you are loving to everyone you have made.

[…]

We now commit our new president, and his wife Michelle, and his daughters, Malia and Sasha, into your loving care.

I humbly ask this in the name of the one who changed my life — Yeshua, Isa, Jesús, Jesus — who taught us to pray:

Our father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil, for thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever.

Amen.

Who is Isa?

Isa is the Muslim jesus and, according to Wikipedia, is not Jesus Christ of the Bible — Isa is a substitute for the real Jesus. Therefore, praying in the name of Isa, who is not the only begotten Son of God and is not the Only Way to God, is Warren’s way of appeasing as many religious groups as possible, while also mentioning the name of Jesus. The reason Christians pray to God in Jesus’ Name is because of Jesus’ atonement of our sins. No one can be reconciled to “Almighty God” through Isa, therefore Warren turned his back on Jesus Christ and His sacrificial work on the cross, and invoked the spirit of a false god in his “blessing” of the Obama family, et al.

Warren is sanctioning and preaching a false jesus, a false gospel, and a false god.

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:8-9

Warren knows there’s a God, but “that Jesus thing” is much too difficult for him to preach … or to believe.

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Mark Driscoll and Purpose Driven

Posted by susanb99 on April 17, 2008

Rick Warren has scheduled a pastors’ conference at Saddleback Church next month. The aim is to “band together to impact the world” by participating in “a brand-new, world-shattering, myth-busting, ministry-affirming, God-anointed, BY-INVITATION-ONLY event. We’re going to share all the new tools we’ve been developing for you.”

Included in the list of speakers is Mark Driscoll. What is a supposedly Bible-teaching pastor doing at a purpose-driven conference? Teaching the Bible is not one of them. Let’s see, where would Driscoll fit in? (my notes in brackets; emphasis added)

PANEL DISCUSSIONS

Evangelism: …we’ll talk about the importance of personal evangelism, and share what has helped challenge our members to go out in the Community and invite their friends. Let’s talk about reaching out to non-believers in our area and seeing Christ through their eyes.

 [preaching/teaching the Gospel is not part of PD’s Evangelism]

 

Worship: …In this panel we’ll discuss tools for reaching the weekend Crowd, messages geared toward personal application, the advantages of using various venues styles, and preaching for life change…

[non-believers CANNOT worship God; God must be worshipped in spirit and in truth (Jesus Christ)]

 

Fellowship: …we’ll address common goals and problem areas in encouraging our Congregation to connect with the church body…

[in order to produce a cheerfully tithing “giving unit”]

 

Discipleship: …we’ll break down what we’ve found to work, and what doesn’t work, in motivating the Committed individuals within the church body to truly invest in their spiritual growth, and brainstorm on how to get people serious about their faith…

[just look to scripture and “what works” is easy to find; Warren likes to make it seem soooo difficult]

 

Ministry: …we’ll cover how to further push the dedicated Core at the heart of the church to discover their spiritual gifts, how to progress them from finding their S.H.A.P.E. to using it… and preparing them for “works of service so that the body of Christ may be built up”.

[how bogus; the SHAPE program was invented by Warren with the help of the writings of occultist/atheist Carl Jung; it is in no way scriptural]

 

Mission: …Our goal is to spread love, forgiveness, and hope to a lost and hurting world through P.E.A.C.E…

[the love of the world, forgiveness without repentance, and false hope]

Online Source

Where does Driscoll fit it? In order to be involved he will have to lay aside scripture and be part of Warren’s plan to change and take over the world. For Christ, supposedly but actually changing the world is for Warren’s benefit and glory. It is sad that Driscoll is mixed up with this lot. Very sad.

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We Are gods

Posted by susanb99 on April 3, 2008

From the new page on Simplicity In Christ.org

To those who believe that we are gods, I would like to ask one simple question:

Why was Eve deceived by satan when he said “you shall be as gods” if she was ALREADY a god?

Click HERE to view the page…

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Uganda – The Second Purpose Driven Nation

Posted by susanb99 on March 31, 2008

The African country of Uganda will be the second purpose driven nation according to a Christian Post article, Rick Warren Launches ‘Purpose Driven’ Plan in Uganda.

Warren hopes “that lives will be transformed and churches will be strengthened. My message to individuals is to build your life on purpose, instead of prestige, possessions or pleasure. My challenge to churches is to cooperate, not compete, and my challenge to business and government leaders is to use their influence for the glory of God and partner with local churches in solving community problems.”

Warren is describing the 3-Legged Stool concept which was conceived by Peter Drucker, a business management guru, as a means to bring all societal sectors (private, public, social/faith-based) into one manageable, controllable roof. Frances Hesselbein of Leader To Leader Journal (Drucker Foundation) states it this way, “The mission of the social sector is to change lives. It accomplishes this mission by addressing the needs of the spirit, the mind, and the body — of individuals, the community, and society. This sector also provides individuals and corporations with a significant sphere in which to practice effective and responsible citizenship.”

We’re not witnessing some fly-by-night idea that maybe someday will come to fruition. The 3-Legged Stool AND the Purpose-driven philosophies are very neatly designed to fit into the Agenda 21 of the United Nations. The Agenda 21 is sustainable development criteria created to control people, under the guise of “meet[ing] the needs of the present without compromising the ability of the future generations to meet their own needs”. Throughout the Agenda 21 it is written about the connecting and intertwining of the three sectors.

Purpose-driven does not have its own doctrines or faith parameters. It is a shell of a program that anyone can use – corporations, Hindus, Episcopalians, Baptists, Muslims, Catholics, Charismatics, Rwanda, Uganada and yes, the United Nations, which is educating and pushing the annihilation of the Christian belief system; in fact, any system in which there are absolutes. Christianity is based on the absolute core doctrine of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Purpose-driven is based on alleviating social ills, with proof-texting references to scripture. Jesus Christ changes lives; He is our Hope. Purpose-driven is a program invented to give out medications, money, and false hope — a one-world religion at its ugly end.

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