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Gay Rights Supporter

Posted by susanb99 on April 10, 2009

Does Warren oppose the Redefinition of Marriage? Does he oppose Gay Marriage?

No.

From a video Warren made in December 2008:

I oppose the redefinition of the meaning of marriage. (at 3:45 and at the end of the video)

From October 2008:

Now let me say this really clearly: we support Proposition 8 — and if you believe what the Bible says about marriage, you need to support Proposition 8. … So I urge you to support Proposition 8, and pass that word on. I’m going to be sending out a note to pastors on what I believe about this. But everybody knows what I believe about it.

From April 2009:

I am not an anti-gay or anti-gay marriage activist. Never have been, never will be. During the whole Proposition 8 thing, I never once went to a meeting, never once issued a statement, never once even gave an endorsement in the two years Prop 8 was going.

How can anyone know what Warren actually believes? In an article by Berit Kjos:

So where does Pastor Warren actually stand on this issue? What is the source of his moral cues? God’s Word — or forceful leaders who have traded His unchanging Truth for today’s evolving moral pragmatism?

In October and December 2008 he was opposed to gay marriage, drumming up support for a traditional marriage proposition. In April 2009, he denied his own claim, unable to keep his stories straight, exposing himself as a public hypocrite and a gay-rights supporter.

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Warren Apologizes for Support of Prop 8

Posted by susanb99 on April 8, 2009

From OneNewsNow:

Rick Warren disavows support for Prop. 8

Jim Brown – OneNewsNow – 4/8/2009 7:00:00 AM

California mega-church pastor and author of The Purpose Driven Life Rick Warren says he apologized to his homosexual friends for making comments in support of California’s Proposition 8, and now claims he “never once even gave an endorsement” of the marriage amendment.

 Monday night on CNN’s Larry King Live, Pastor Rick Warren apologized for his support of Prop. 8, California’s voter-approved marriage protection amendment, saying he has “never been and never will be” an “anti-gay or anti-gay marriage activist.”
 
“During the whole Proposition 8 thing, I never once went to a meeting, never once issued a statement, never — never once even gave an endorsement in the two years Prop. 8 was going,” Warren claimed.
 
However, just two weeks before the November 4 Prop. 8 vote, Pastor Warren issued a clear endorsement of the marriage amendment while speaking to church members. “We support Proposition 8 — and if you believe what the Bible says about marriage, you need to support Proposition 8,” he said.
 
The following is a complete transcript of Warren’s comments just weeks before the Prop. 8 election:

“The election’s coming just in a couple of weeks, and I hope you’re praying about your vote. One of the propositions, of course, that I want to mention is Proposition 8, which is the proposition that had to be instituted because the courts threw out the will of the people. And a court of four guys actually voted to change a definition of marriage that has been going for 5,000 years.
 
Now let me say this really clearly: we support Proposition 8 — and if you believe what the Bible says about marriage, you need to support Proposition 8. I never support a candidate, but on moral issues I come out very clear.
 
“This is one thing, friends, that all politicians tend to agree on. Both Barack Obama and John McCain, I flat-out asked both of them: what is your definition of marriage? And they both said the same thing — it is the traditional, historic, universal definition of marriage: one man and one woman, for life. And every culture for 5,000 years, and every religion for 5,000 years, has said the definition of marriage is between one man and a woman.
 
“Now here’s an interesting thing. There are about two percent of Americans [who] are homosexual or gay/lesbian people. We should not let two percent of the population determine to change a definition of marriage that has been supported by every single culture and every single religion for 5,000 years.
 
“This is not even just a Christian issue — it’s a humanitarian and human issue that God created marriage for the purpose of family, love, and procreation.
 
“So I urge you to support Proposition 8, and pass that word on. I’m going to be sending out a note to pastors on what I believe about this. But everybody knows what I believe about it. They heard me at the Civil Forum when I asked both Obama and McCain on their views.”

During his CNN interview on Monday, Warren expressed regret for backing Prop. 8. “There were a number of things that were put out. I wrote to all my gay friends — the leaders that I knew — and actually apologized to them. That never got out,” he admitted.
 
Additionally, Pastor Warren said he did not want to comment on or criticize the Iowa Supreme Court’s decision last week to legalize same-sex “marriage” because it was “not his agenda.”

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Warren Denies Anti-Gay Activism on Larry King Live

Posted by susanb99 on April 7, 2009

I am not an anti-gay or anti-gay marriage activist. Never have been, never will be. During the whole Proposition 8 thing, I never once went to a meeting, never once issued a statement, never once even gave an endorsement in the two years Prop 8 was going.

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See full video on Larry King Live

Related post:
Playing Both Sides of the Gay Agenda

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Memorizing the Bible

Posted by susanb99 on February 16, 2009

Memorizing the Bible

I have added a new page to this site (see tab above) to download a PDF file which explains how to memorize scripture.

I would recommend this approach for anyone who is interested in scripture memorization and for those who are weary of fumbling around looking for a particular verse.

How to Memorize the Bible

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Catholic Purpose Driven

Posted by susanb99 on February 13, 2009

Purpose-Driven and the Roman Catholic Church
by Susan Bertalotto
September 2005

How much do you know about the Catholic Church and the followers of Catholicism? Most people are aware that Mary (the mother of Jesus) is on a very high pedestal, that Catholics go to mass every Sunday (the “good” ones, anyway), go to confession at least once a year, and take the Eucharist when at mass. That’s about all I knew as of two years ago, until I moved to Mexico – a VERY Catholic country.

About 95% of the people in the town I live (of approx. 150,000) are Catholic. The rest are protestant, Jehovah’s Witness, or Mormon. It was quite an eye-opener when I observed and understood the rituals and sacraments that the Catholic people put themselves through. Being very religious people, they believe the church – the CATHOLIC church – is the only true way to God. They also believe in Jesus Christ as God’s Son, they believe in the Holy Spirit, they believe a lot of what I believe. In fact, their Bible is very similar to mine. I have a Spanish Bible of the Reina Valera version (like King James version) and I have compared the Latin America Catholic Bible to that version. In John 14:6 of the Catholic Bible, Jesus says “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father except by me.” Also 1st Timothy 2:5 of the Catholic Bible says that Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and man. When I asked Catholic people I know about some of the verses in their bible, each time the answer was “We don’t read the Bible. Why should we? We have The Church.” So they believe what the church has taught them – Mary is the mother of God, Mary is still a virgin and she was ascended into heaven (as Jesus was), Mary is also seen in the form of other idols: Guadalupe, Carmelita, Fatima, etc. (they wear different outfits, but they are all Mary). There are many rituals at Christmas that people are extremely involved in. Some of these rituals cost money; i.e. buying clothes for the “Hijo de Dios” (Son of God), a baby doll that must be put to bed and awakened at intervals (every few days) to change clothes.

The above paragraph gives you a glimpse of what Catholic people will do to ensure that they are “saved”, as followers of a church, NOT followers of Christ. What does this have to do with purpose-driven, you ask? Before I moved to Mexico, I was struck by the PD program as being very “catholic” – do A, B, and C and you are on your way to heaven. Go through all the “rituals” and everyone will disregard what’s inside your heart. Signing the covenants is quite important in a PD church. In the PD church I was very involved with, as a staff-member, cell/small group leader, singles coordinator, we (the whole church) were told to complete the bases (101, 201, 301, 401), sign the covenants, and then we were set, ready to go out and bring others into the church. Some of the people who had completed the bases were cell/small group leaders or ministry leaders and were NOT Christians! It was quite disheartening to see what was happening in that church.

Once I moved to Mexico, and saw first-hand the deception and control that the Catholic church wields toward its followers, purpose-driven started looking more Catholic by the day! PD changes people’s mindset, making them believe that the church is everything. Don’t try to convert people on your own, bring them to the church so it can be done “right”.

“The church” has replaced God.

And then this: I found a page on the official PD site that lists Catholic churches with Protestant churches, listing the Catholic churches using the PD program. Catholics don’t even believe that Jesus Christ is the only way to God! How can they use purpose-driven?? But the answer is easy: the PD program does NOT state what to believe, only what the beliefs are “based” on. So any church (Protestant, Catholic, Muslim, Hindu, Unitarian, etc.) can use PD as a means to bring more unsuspecting “sheep” into their belief system. What happened to the Bible as the only resource for doctrine?? Tossed out like dusty, musty trash!

Excellent article:
Transubstantiation (the Eucharist)
by Mary Ann Collins, A Former Catholic Nun

Purpose-driven site:
Purpose Driven Catholics(link has been removed)
“Helpful” Catholic Links(link has been removed)

What is the difference between Christianity and Catholicism?
There is a very simple difference:

    Christians believe that JESUS CHRIST is the only Way to God, according to the doctrines outlined in the Bible.
    Catholics believe the way to god is through sacraments, priests, Mary, and above all, the Catholic Church.

What does Rick Warren think is the difference?
“…when it comes to the basics, [the beliefs] are pretty much the same.”
(question #36)

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Purpose Driven Church – No Cost Christianity

Posted by susanb99 on February 12, 2009

Purpose Driven Church – No Cost Christianity
by Susan Bertalotto
December 2001

Do the following scenarios sound familiar in YOUR church?

“The pastor is preaching differently. He now preaches ‘sermon series’. And the topics for the next two to three months are printed on a card and mailed to my house. The topics he’s using are from life experiences, and we rarely use our Bibles anymore. We’re not even encouraged to bring our Bibles. It’s like our church changed from ‘preaching from the Bible’ to telling life stories and finding paraphrased scripture to fit the story.”

“We don’t have an ‘altar call’ anymore. People who want to get saved just fill out a card, or prayer is offered, but the pastor says ‘no one wants to embarrass you or put you on the spot, so you don’t need to come down for prayer if you’re embarrassed to do so’. Jesus says in Luke 12:8 that ‘whoever confesses Him before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God’. And isn’t it biblical that people get prayed for? What’s going on?”

“When was the last time we had communion as a church body? Since when can’t we have communion on Sunday morning anymore? If someone gets offended by the remembrance of JESUS (Luke 22:19), are we supposed to stop doing it to make them feel ‘comfortable’?”

The Purpose-Driven Church (PDC) curriculum and book were written by a Southern Baptist named Rick Warren. He is the senior pastor of Saddleback Valley Community Church in Lake Forest, CA. Included in the book are very detailed, step-by-step instructions on how to run the Sunday morning service. It is amazing how the PDC affects the Sunday morning service! There are to be no silences in the service. Everything has to be programmed beforehand so there are no surprises. So there is no place for God. The ‘audience’ is not encouraged to seek God in the Sunday morning service. God is put in a box for an hour and a half while man ‘draws people to God’.

In the beginning, the PDC was created to bring unchurched people into the church, get them saved, and disciple them with the doctrine of the day. The major flaw with that thinking is REMOVING THE HOLY SPIRIT from the equation. Because the Holy Spirit is not a part in bringing people to God (bridge events and ‘comfortable’ services are supposed to take care of that), the Spirit of God is subdued in churches that are ‘Purpose-Driven’.

According to Mr. Warren, ‘There is no such thing as Christian music. There are only Christian lyrics.’ (Purpose Driven Church pg. 282). Shouldn’t the Spirit of God be behind Christian music and lyrics? The PDC book does not refer to the power of the Holy Spirit until the end, seemingly as an afterthought.

IDENTIFYING A PD CHURCH
One way of identifying a PDC is the jargon and acronyms. Here are a few:
Core Meetings, S.A.L.T. Meetings (Salt and Light Together), Bridge Events, BASE Classes (101, 201, 301, 401), baseball diamond classes, ‘Our Target’, Life Development Institute, Seeker Services, Community/Crowd/Congregation/Committed/Core illustration, ‘Growth Without Compromising Your Message & Mission’, S.H.A.P.E. (Spiritual gifts, Heart (Motivation), Abilities, Personality, Experiences), C.L.A.S.S. (Christian Life and Service Seminars).

If your church is PDC, your pastor has access to (and is probably using) the sermons and outlines from Saddleback Church, and is using a paraphrased Bible for scriptural quotes. The sermons and outlines are very much the same as the one you heard last Sunday (and the Sunday before) — usually with points that use the same first letter or are in the form of an acrostic. They are basically assembly-line sermon series . Your pastor did not get these sermons from the Holy Spirit through prayer and fasting! Also included are life-stories, skits, and video clips (perhaps some of them inappropriate to be seen by children).

The bridge events (reaching out to the community) are non-events – inoffensive and innocuous. Jesus and God are usually absent, in Name and in Spirit. Everything is organized and controlled by the church staff to make everyone feel comfortable, and to make the attenders feel ‘happy’.

FEEDING ON MILK
In Romans 8:8, Paul says, “So then those who are living the life of the flesh, catering to the appetites and impulses of their carnal nature, cannot please or satisfy God, or be acceptable to Him.” (The Amplified Bible) Why would we want to please man when God is the One we serve and love?!

Hebrews 5:13-14 “For everyone who continues to feed on milk is obviously inexperienced and unskilled in the doctrine of righteousness, for he is a mere infant, But solid food is for full-grown men, for those whose senses and mental faculties are trained by practice to discriminate and distinguish between what is morally good and noble and what is evil and contrary either to divine or human law.” (The Amplified Bible)

The PDC is designed to keep you wanting the milk, not the meat, of the Word of God. If you want anything more from the teaching in your church, you will be labeled a complainer, a person who is unwilling to help the new Christians who are being spoon-fed.

2 Timothy 4:3-4 says “For the time is coming when people will not tolerate sound and wholesome instruction, but, having ears itching for something pleasing and gratifying, they will gather to themselves one teacher after another to a considerable number, chosen to satisfy their own liking and to foster the errors they hold, And will turn aside from hearing the truth and wander off into myths and man-made fictions.” (The Amplified Bible)

Unfortunately some have chosen to use another way to ‘reach people for Christ’, with distortions, deceptions, and pride. We don’t need man-made programs to help people know they need God. God has already outlined that for us in His Word. There is too much sin, flesh, and garbage between man and God. But we humans, in our infinite wisdom, bombard them even more garbage. Promises to take care of their ‘felt-needs’, promises of ‘no-cost Christianity’. When all they need is JESUS to pull them out of their sin and show them the Way to God. In John 14:6 Jesus says, “I am the WAY and the TRUTH, and the LIFE; no one comes to the Father except through Me.” If we truly believe that, then we must live it. Let’s always keep our focus on what is true, and we will only find that in the Word of God.

NO-COST CHRISTIANITY
‘No-cost Christianity’ is not an option according to the Bible. In the Ministry 301 class, the way a person is supposed to find his spiritual gifts is to fill out a personality profile, find his S.H.A.P.E., and then go into the ministry. But in 2 Corinthians 12:9 the Lord told Paul “My strength is made perfect in WEAKNESS”. God does not glory in our strengths. He glories in our WEAKNESSES, our self-denial (take up My cross and follow Me), our willingness to put away human desires and follow Jesus (humbleness). Worldly and business values teach us to find our strengths and use them to make our mark in this world. But the Bible teaches the exact opposite! Do you know of any time your pastor has taught (on a Sunday morning) that we as Christians must allow God to work through our weaknesses, not our strengths and egos? Most likely not! That is a very unpopular teaching, but it is a very fundamental instruction from the Bible. There is a cost for following JESUS. The cost is completely turning away from SIN, the cost is denying our own desires and following the Word of God, not a compilation of stories to make us feel good. This teaching dulls our spirits, keeps us from seeing the real truth. It may feel good for a time, but in the end it is not satisfying.

God is wanting His people to stand up for His righteousness, not hide under a cloak of ‘niceness’ and ‘feel-good platitudes’. If we truly want others to know God, we must have the BOLDNESS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT to show them who is God.

Read these articles for more information:
The Transforming Church
Market-Driven Church

NEW AGE
Be careful of the material you are being taught in your church through the PDC curriculum since NEW AGE spirituality is the basis for some of the classes and sermons.

WE BUILD PEOPLE
WE BUILD PEOPLE strategy is a Rick Warren-endorsed adaptation of PDC, implemented by the Assemblies of God.

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More on Warren & That JESUS Thing

Posted by susanb99 on January 27, 2009

More on Rick Warren & That JESUS Thing
by Susan Bertalotto
January 2009

In my previous article, I wrote about Rick Warren praying to God in Isa’s name, along with Jesus’ Name. There are some in the blogosphere who claim that Jesus Christ and Isa (the Muslim jesus) are one and the same. Obviously Warren believes that also, otherwise he wouldn’t have lumped Jesus Christ and Isa together. Warren was pandering to the Muslims by using their version, their perception, of a jesus. He knew exactly what he was doing. Why wouldn’t he use Jesus’ name only in English? It would have made it biblical, and more clear. But Warren is not known for being clear in his apologetics; he is known for his ignorance and sloppiness. “Fence-straddler” is his middle name.

He also used the name “Jesús”, which in Spanish, is a direct translation for Jesus. Isa is not a direct translation and if you use Isa with a Muslim, s/he will not believe you are speaking of the Mediator between God and men. S/He will believe, rightly so, that you speak of the Muslim jesus, a substitute for Jesus Christ. One blogger contends that Jesus and Isa are the same, but Isa’s history has been “corrupted” over the years. I fully understand translations and how limiting some words can be since I live in Mexico. If the translation “Isa” was corrupted over the years, so be it. That doesn’t make it any more scriptural to pray in the name of a false god. The name of Jesus has been translated into many languages from the Hebrew, but in the case of the Arabic word Isa, it is not the same as Jesus Christ or Yeshua.

Anyone who says they are one and the same is believing a lie. This is not a minor point — Jesus Christ is the very foundation, the Cornerstone of Christianity. There is a reason that Christians pray to the Father in Jesus’ Name — because of Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross for our sins which enables us to humbly come before the Father. Since when does Isa get the credit ?? Allah does not have a Son named Jesus. Neither does he have a son named Isa. But the true God does have a Son. BIG difference.

If you throw out Who God Is, you can agree with anyone. And pay the price.

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That JESUS Thing

Posted by susanb99 on January 24, 2009

That JESUS Thing
by Susan Bertalotto
January 2009

…there is none other name … whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:12

I was explaining God’s plan of salvation to a young man. He stopped me short when I said the name of Jesus. “Wait a sec!”, he said. “Are you saying that there isn’t any other path to God except Jesus Christ?!” “Yes”, I replied. “That’s exactly what I’m saying.”

His answer: “I don’t know about “that Jesus thing”! I know there’s a God… but JESUS?!! No way! That’s too hard!”

There is only One Way to the One True God — Jesus Christ.

Jesus said unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6

He is the cornerstone of the Christian faith. Any other name is just a name, a false god. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the power of God unto salvation. Christians, or evangelicals as they are often called, must adhere to the beliefs or doctrine of the Bible, the Word of God, in order to be considered Christians.

Unfortunately, some “Christians” have taken the broad road to destruction, all the while claiming to be on the strait, narrow Way of Jesus Christ. A clear example is given by Rick Warren, the pastor of Saddleback Church, who wrote The Purpose Driven Life. He gave the invocation at Barack Obama’s inauguration on January 20th. In the invocation, Warren prayed to “god”:

Almighty God — our Father. Everything we see, and everything we can’t see, exists because of you alone. It all comes from you. It all belongs to you. It all exists for your glory. History is your story. The Scripture tells us, ‘Hear, Oh Israel, the Lord is our God, the Lord is one.’ And you are the compassionate and merciful one. And you are loving to everyone you have made.

[…]

We now commit our new president, and his wife Michelle, and his daughters, Malia and Sasha, into your loving care.

I humbly ask this in the name of the one who changed my life — Yeshua, Isa, Jesús, Jesus — who taught us to pray:

Our father, who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil, for thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, forever.

Amen.

Who is Isa?

Isa is the Muslim jesus and, according to Wikipedia, is not Jesus Christ of the Bible — Isa is a substitute for the real Jesus. Therefore, praying in the name of Isa, who is not the only begotten Son of God and is not the Only Way to God, is Warren’s way of appeasing as many religious groups as possible, while also mentioning the name of Jesus. The reason Christians pray to God in Jesus’ Name is because of Jesus’ atonement of our sins. No one can be reconciled to “Almighty God” through Isa, therefore Warren turned his back on Jesus Christ and His sacrificial work on the cross, and invoked the spirit of a false god in his “blessing” of the Obama family, et al.

Warren is sanctioning and preaching a false jesus, a false gospel, and a false god.

But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Galatians 1:8-9

Warren knows there’s a God, but “that Jesus thing” is much too difficult for him to preach … or to believe.

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Food Tactics: The P.E.A.C.E. Plan Role in the World Food Program

Posted by susanb99 on January 9, 2009

From Herescope:

Now, what the church has, when I talk about churches, first thing, universal distribution. I could take you to 10 million villages around the world the only thing in it is church. They don’t have a school. They don’t have a clinic. They don’t have anything else. It is the only social structure in much of the world. You get out of the capital, there isn’t a government in most of the world. The church is universally there. The boots are already on the ground. The church is bigger than the United Nations. It speaks more languages than the United Nations. It’s with more people groups than the United Nations. There are 2.3 billion people in the world who claim to be followers of Christ. Now, that’s all different varieties, factions, and levels of commitment. But there are 2.3 billion people who are church members. That means the church is bigger than China. [1]

In a little-noticed Wall Street Journal article last week (1/2/09) a new way to address the problem of world hunger was proposed. Rather that simply handing out food to the poor and needy, from now on the United Nations World Food Program (WFP) will be databanking and monitoring food distribution to starving individuals.

“U.N. Tackles Rising Threat of Urban Hunger in Africa” authored by Sarah Childress is subtitled “High Food Prices Spur World Food Program, Usually Employed in Rural Crises, to Find Tactics That Work in Crowded Cities.”

Just what tactics? According to the article, the “escalating hunger in Africa is forcing aid agencies… to scramble for strategies” that will help “identify who’s most in need of help.” As part of this identification process, the WFP will be conducting an “experiment with cash and voucher systems” ostensibly for the purpose of avoiding the upset of local economies. The recipient will receive a “beneficiary card” which they can show at “a local office each month to receive vouchers” for cash, and a “local microfinance agency… will take the vouchers and handle the reimbursements.”

The aid groups are using “more nuanced surveys” as one of the tactics to identify the “neediest people” and will be “evaluating them on factors including access to clean water and the size of their dwellings.” The article then says that the aid “organization will analyze the data.”

In a perfect world this idealistic plan might work to help local microeconomies. But that isn’t what this plan is all about. It isn’t about simple food distribution to the poor, starving and needy in Africa. Rather, this plan represents a fundamental shift in how aid will be given to people. This shift is taking place at both the macro and micro levels in tandem with international foundations, NGOs, corporations, mission and aid groups.

This food voucher plan requires people to register first before they receive food. Register with whom and for what purpose? From the point that someone registers for and/or receives the voucher they will enter the “system.” Everything they do from that point on will be monitored, databanked and assessed. This is how the emerging global governance system will work.

What role will Rick Warren and his church-based health clinics play in all of this? Perhaps none. But it is remarkable how similarly structured this food voucher plan is to the purpose-driven formula of “transforming health care delivery through the full engagement of the local church linked to existing health care systems to work together for the common purpose of community health.”[2]

The Pied Pipers of Purpose monograph published in 2004 (Conscience Press) examined management guru Peter Drucker’s activities on overhauling the conduct of the Private Sector (the 3rd leg of his 3-legged stool concept). Drucker, who mentored Rick Warren, advocated an assessment-based system of monitoring efficiency and effectiveness for charitable organizations, which included the concept of merging State and Church (including private charities) into faith-based endeavors. A key facet of this results-based system was regulating “choices,” which notably would include the concept of “vouchers.” These vouchers, while purportedly giving people “choice,” would actually function as a method of human control. “Accountability” for quantifiable and qualitative results would be based institutional standards — benchmarks for human performance that were inflexible, restrictive, unyielding, and even punitive. And in Drucker’s model, human beings are referred to as “human capital” — their “value” is assessed in terms of how much they can contribute to the common good of Society. The monograph explained how “vouchers” work in the education realm:

Charter schools and vouchers blur the lines between Drucker’s three sectors of society – nonprofit, corporate and state – because of how the money passes hands and who is ultimately in control. Charter schools and vouchers, which are run by business corporations and/or sub-entities of the government, operate in compliance with education reform standards set by the State. The State defines the results and prescribes the assessments to measure the learners, who are technically public students. State monies are then, in turn, paid to the corporations who operate the charters.

Now, apply this same concept of vouchers to global food distribution and it becomes apparent that this system could quickly become fraught with trouble. The Wall Street Journal article does not mention the corporate partners in this voucher-for-food program. But State (local, national and international) corruption alone, including bribery, unseemly conduct and unethical collusion, could easily cripple this system. The poor starving individual who just wants food to eat could become caught up in a web of unsavory interconnections and entanglements.

And what role would the 3rd leg of the stool — the church and/or aid groups — play in this food-for-voucher scheme? What if the local church “distribution center” in every local village became an outlet for food voucher registration and management? It may not be a far-fetched possibility. The monograph observes the downside to all of this:

Many advocates of government-funded faith-based charities believe that the end justifies the means, and will point to the “results” as evidence of a good work being done. These good-intentioned people probably don’t realize that their activities further the political goals of communitarian societal transformation. These folks may not understand the long-term negative repercussions of cooperating with this new system of governance. In a communitarian worldview any truly private entity (family, charity, church and small Christian school) poses a direct challenge to the “common good.”

This is an interesting statement in light of Rick Warren’s recent activities in promulgating Communitarian agendas and ideals such as the “common good.” When one considers that his church-based clinics in Africa are health-care data-driven centers, cooperating with a multitude of partners across the full spectrum of a global 3-legged stool, it raises many uncomfortable questions about their ultimate “purpose.” Is it really to offer care and meet physical needs? Or is there more to it? What happens to the survey information once it is databanked? It this just a way to get poor people into the international governance “system”? The monograph comments on the negative effects of Peter Drucker’s plans for overhauling the 3rd leg of the stool:

This is institutional charity, not the private act of a widow’s mite. The Scriptural admonitions to give to him that asketh thee (Matt. 5:42) and freely ye have received, freely give (Matt. 10:8b) no longer apply. If a charity doesn’t perform up to par, monies are withdrawn. This is because organized charitable donations are now being used as an instrument to effect change, to produce transformation….

Transformation is being built on the backs of those who are the most vulnerable, helpless, and powerless. To put this post in its larger global context, check out Berit Kjos’s new webpage topic GLOBAL FOOD MANAGEMENT and follow the many links. It is not too far-fetched to question any new-fangled global food management program. And it is important to raise ethical concerns about how food is being used as a lever for transformation.

The Truth:
“Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.” (Luke 5:30-31)

Endnote:
1. Transcript of American Public Media radio program “Speaking of Faith” with Krista Tippett hosting, Part II: Rick & Kay Warren, http://speakingoffaith.publicradio.org/programs/warren/transcript.shtml
2. Quote from a Larry Ross Press release http://www.alarryross.com/Client_Info.aspx?ID=37 and http://www.alarryross.com/PressRelease.aspx?ID=347 (8/6/08 ) “PASTOR RICK & KAY WARREN BRING TOGETHER LEADERS TO DISCUSS UNIFICATION OF EXPERTISE TO STOP HIV/AIDS: Saddleback Church Hosts International AIDS Conference Satellite Session on the Partnership of Government, Business & the Church.” Cited in an ASSIST News Service story published 8/6/08, “Pastor Rick & Kay Warren Bring Together Leaders To Discuss Unification Of Expertise To Stop HIV/AIDS: Saddleback Church Hosts International AIDS Conference Satellite Session on the Partnership of Government, Business & the Church,” by Dan Wooding. http://www.assistnews.net/Stories/2008/s08080030.htm

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Rick Warren Is Not Opposed To Homosexual Partnerships

Posted by susanb99 on December 30, 2008

From True Discernment:

In his own Words: Rick Warren is not Opposed to Homosexual Partnerships: The Video

In his own words from his own Web Site

Rick Warren at 3 minutes and 38 seconds of his 12/22/2008 News & Views Video says that he is not opposed to Homosexual partnerships, but he is opposed to Homosexuals using the term marriage for their partnerships.

Makes you wonder if he has taken tips from Bill Clinton on how to make something seem different when actually it is not, by using vague and undefined language!

 

Rick Warren says that marriage is between a man and a woman and that sex is not to occur outside marriage, but he is not opposed to Homosexual partnerships, hmmm. And he has never claimed that Homosexual relationships are the same as pedophilia or incest as those relationships are forced, hmmm Mr. Warren what act is not forced in homosexual partnerships?

 

Now before we try and clear the very heavy mud with which Mr. Warren speaks let me say this. I see now why politicians like him so much!

 

As he speaks with the same lack of clarity as they do! He attempts to speak a message that pleases almost everyone while upsetting almost no one.

First he pacifies his Saddleback followers: Of course he believes that Marriage is just between a man and a woman! And that sex should only occur in a marriage.

 

This last statement further pacifies his followers as it makes it look as if he infers that his later statement about him being ok with Homosexual partnerships means that those homosexual partners are not having sexual relations. Hmmm ok, and with that we can either try to believe that Mr.  Warren is really naive and thinks that a Homosexual partnership means remaining celibate and just holding hands! Or we can say he is being actively vague in order to be deceptive in order to curry favor with certain groups!

 

Mr. Warren with his vague language also pacifies those unrepentant homosexuals who are leaning his way and it takes the heat off of his politician friends, who don’t want to be associated with someone who is against homosexuality but want to curry favor with apostate “christian” voters. By Mr. Waren saying that Homosexual relationships are not the same as incest or pedophilia! Which I mean come on, when you are trying to use logic that says Homosexuality is not the same as incest or pedophilia because it is not forced! What is not forced? The sex is not forced! It’s voluntary!

 

Mr. Warren neatly leaves the door open to later “adjust” his stance on homosexuality further should he receive flack from the homosexual lobby or his political buddies!

 

And Mr. Warren once again covers all his bases, nice tap dancing there Rick! This man’s phone must be ringing off the hook from Politicians asking him if he can help them with their speech writing!

 

Now if you listened to the earlier portions of the video you will hear Rick Warren saying that Christian Bloggers who criticize him should “Get a Life”.

In his words Bloggers just exist to create conflict and to feed off of that conflict!

 

I have a message for you Mr. Warren, this site does not exist to create and feed off of conflict. It exists to inform Christians of wolves like you who are false Christians! People like you who trample into the dust the Truth of God’s Word, who have a form of Godliness, but deny the power there of!

 

It grieves my spirit to see men like you obscure and then destroy the Truth of God’s word for their own fallen and selfish ambitions! Who comform to the World while you deform the Word!

 

This video should make all Christians fall on their knees and weep before God for the damage that you do to the name of Christ!

 

It is supremely tragic that anyone would follow this man and actually claim that he is a Minister of the Gospel of Christ!

 

This man speaks with a forked tongue! First he trashes Valid Online Christian Discernment Ministries! Then once he has marginalized those ministries he starts into his world conforming compromise message that he is not opposed to Gays! He is not opposed to Gay Partnerships, and that he embraces views that are accepted by the majority of the World!

 

I ask WHERE is there ANY Biblical support for what he is spewing in this video! There is none! His words are actually a Non-Christian World conforming and hence Bible denying message!

 

Romans 12:1-2:

 

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God

 

I am not sure how long Saddleback will leave this video up, of course they may be at the point where they do not care anymore what Rick Warren spews forth, as their base of followers are so compromised that they cannot recognize what is Truth and what is a lie!

 

The people who follow after Rick Warren have become blind to God’s Truth because they have replaced their Love for God for the love of a Man!

 

It is utterly heartbreaking to know what their end will be!

 

And in closing, do you know why you do not see hardly any high profle mega ministers admonishing Mr. Warren over his muddy world conforming speech?

 

They know and utilize the same language, and to come out and speak against Rick Warren means they might lose their “High Seat”. They might get tagged by the main stream media as “extremist” and not get invited again to schmooze on national television.

 

 http://truediscernment.wordpress.com/2008/12/31/in-his-own-wordsrick-warren-is-not-opposed-to-homosexual-partnerships/

 

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