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Don’t Bother Mentioning Jesus Christ

Posted by susanb99 on April 23, 2010

On June 16, 2006, Rick Warren spoke at Sinai Temple’s Friday Night Live Shabbat services as part of the Synagogue 3000 program which “aims to revitalize Jewish worship”. And why was Mr. Warren there?

He was there to give a pep-talk to encourage people to worship a false god:

“Warren told [Rabbi Ron] Wolfson his interest is in helping all houses of worship, not in converting Jews……Warren managed to speak for the entire evening without once mentioning Jesus — a testament to his savvy message-tailoring.” (Jewish Journal editor-in-chief)

On page 283 of Rick Warren’s book The Purpose Driven Life , Warren states:

“These words of Jesus [the Great Commission] are not the Great Suggestion. If you are a part of God’s family, your mission is mandatory. To ignore it would be disobedience….God holds you responsible for the unbelievers who live around you…. your mission is to share Jesus with them.”

Warren doesn’t live according to his own words, but he expects others to “do as I say/write, not as I do”? Warren makes it clear at the beginning of the PDL book “It’s not about you”. But of course it is, in more ways than one. It’s about YOU, the people who read the book, but it’s not about ME, Rick Warren, because I’m above all that nonsense (the Great Commission). He obviously does not believe his own words and does not live them.

He goes on in the PDL book (page 284):

“Your mission has eternal significance. It will impact the eternal destiny of other people, so it’s more important than any job, achievement, or goal you will reach during your life on earth.”

More important than any goal? More important than the P.E.A.C.E. plan, Warren’s dominionist goal to achieve world peace? Obviously, the Great Commission takes a back seat (or no seat at all) to his P.E.A.C.E. plan.And he calls himself a Christian? Good works and mentioning Jesus (when it’s “appropriate”) doesn’t cut it.

The Jews today do not worship the true God, the One with a Son, Jesus Christ. They rejected Jesus Christ, God Incarnate. The Jews do not acknowledge the One God in three persons, The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit. They may call him the same as they did before rejecting Jesus, but they worship a false god, one who cannot hear.

NO ONE helps someone worship their false god and then claims to be a Bible-believing Christian. Warren only has faith  in his purpose-driven program and PEACE Plan. His dirty, rotten, stinking, gnat-covered fruit is an abomination.


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Food Tactics: The P.E.A.C.E. Plan Role in the World Food Program

Posted by susanb99 on January 9, 2009

From Herescope:

Now, what the church has, when I talk about churches, first thing, universal distribution. I could take you to 10 million villages around the world the only thing in it is church. They don’t have a school. They don’t have a clinic. They don’t have anything else. It is the only social structure in much of the world. You get out of the capital, there isn’t a government in most of the world. The church is universally there. The boots are already on the ground. The church is bigger than the United Nations. It speaks more languages than the United Nations. It’s with more people groups than the United Nations. There are 2.3 billion people in the world who claim to be followers of Christ. Now, that’s all different varieties, factions, and levels of commitment. But there are 2.3 billion people who are church members. That means the church is bigger than China. [1]

In a little-noticed Wall Street Journal article last week (1/2/09) a new way to address the problem of world hunger was proposed. Rather that simply handing out food to the poor and needy, from now on the United Nations World Food Program (WFP) will be databanking and monitoring food distribution to starving individuals.

“U.N. Tackles Rising Threat of Urban Hunger in Africa” authored by Sarah Childress is subtitled “High Food Prices Spur World Food Program, Usually Employed in Rural Crises, to Find Tactics That Work in Crowded Cities.”

Just what tactics? According to the article, the “escalating hunger in Africa is forcing aid agencies… to scramble for strategies” that will help “identify who’s most in need of help.” As part of this identification process, the WFP will be conducting an “experiment with cash and voucher systems” ostensibly for the purpose of avoiding the upset of local economies. The recipient will receive a “beneficiary card” which they can show at “a local office each month to receive vouchers” for cash, and a “local microfinance agency… will take the vouchers and handle the reimbursements.”

The aid groups are using “more nuanced surveys” as one of the tactics to identify the “neediest people” and will be “evaluating them on factors including access to clean water and the size of their dwellings.” The article then says that the aid “organization will analyze the data.”

In a perfect world this idealistic plan might work to help local microeconomies. But that isn’t what this plan is all about. It isn’t about simple food distribution to the poor, starving and needy in Africa. Rather, this plan represents a fundamental shift in how aid will be given to people. This shift is taking place at both the macro and micro levels in tandem with international foundations, NGOs, corporations, mission and aid groups.

This food voucher plan requires people to register first before they receive food. Register with whom and for what purpose? From the point that someone registers for and/or receives the voucher they will enter the “system.” Everything they do from that point on will be monitored, databanked and assessed. This is how the emerging global governance system will work.

What role will Rick Warren and his church-based health clinics play in all of this? Perhaps none. But it is remarkable how similarly structured this food voucher plan is to the purpose-driven formula of “transforming health care delivery through the full engagement of the local church linked to existing health care systems to work together for the common purpose of community health.”[2]

The Pied Pipers of Purpose monograph published in 2004 (Conscience Press) examined management guru Peter Drucker’s activities on overhauling the conduct of the Private Sector (the 3rd leg of his 3-legged stool concept). Drucker, who mentored Rick Warren, advocated an assessment-based system of monitoring efficiency and effectiveness for charitable organizations, which included the concept of merging State and Church (including private charities) into faith-based endeavors. A key facet of this results-based system was regulating “choices,” which notably would include the concept of “vouchers.” These vouchers, while purportedly giving people “choice,” would actually function as a method of human control. “Accountability” for quantifiable and qualitative results would be based institutional standards — benchmarks for human performance that were inflexible, restrictive, unyielding, and even punitive. And in Drucker’s model, human beings are referred to as “human capital” — their “value” is assessed in terms of how much they can contribute to the common good of Society. The monograph explained how “vouchers” work in the education realm:

Charter schools and vouchers blur the lines between Drucker’s three sectors of society – nonprofit, corporate and state – because of how the money passes hands and who is ultimately in control. Charter schools and vouchers, which are run by business corporations and/or sub-entities of the government, operate in compliance with education reform standards set by the State. The State defines the results and prescribes the assessments to measure the learners, who are technically public students. State monies are then, in turn, paid to the corporations who operate the charters.

Now, apply this same concept of vouchers to global food distribution and it becomes apparent that this system could quickly become fraught with trouble. The Wall Street Journal article does not mention the corporate partners in this voucher-for-food program. But State (local, national and international) corruption alone, including bribery, unseemly conduct and unethical collusion, could easily cripple this system. The poor starving individual who just wants food to eat could become caught up in a web of unsavory interconnections and entanglements.

And what role would the 3rd leg of the stool — the church and/or aid groups — play in this food-for-voucher scheme? What if the local church “distribution center” in every local village became an outlet for food voucher registration and management? It may not be a far-fetched possibility. The monograph observes the downside to all of this:

Many advocates of government-funded faith-based charities believe that the end justifies the means, and will point to the “results” as evidence of a good work being done. These good-intentioned people probably don’t realize that their activities further the political goals of communitarian societal transformation. These folks may not understand the long-term negative repercussions of cooperating with this new system of governance. In a communitarian worldview any truly private entity (family, charity, church and small Christian school) poses a direct challenge to the “common good.”

This is an interesting statement in light of Rick Warren’s recent activities in promulgating Communitarian agendas and ideals such as the “common good.” When one considers that his church-based clinics in Africa are health-care data-driven centers, cooperating with a multitude of partners across the full spectrum of a global 3-legged stool, it raises many uncomfortable questions about their ultimate “purpose.” Is it really to offer care and meet physical needs? Or is there more to it? What happens to the survey information once it is databanked? It this just a way to get poor people into the international governance “system”? The monograph comments on the negative effects of Peter Drucker’s plans for overhauling the 3rd leg of the stool:

This is institutional charity, not the private act of a widow’s mite. The Scriptural admonitions to give to him that asketh thee (Matt. 5:42) and freely ye have received, freely give (Matt. 10:8b) no longer apply. If a charity doesn’t perform up to par, monies are withdrawn. This is because organized charitable donations are now being used as an instrument to effect change, to produce transformation….

Transformation is being built on the backs of those who are the most vulnerable, helpless, and powerless. To put this post in its larger global context, check out Berit Kjos’s new webpage topic GLOBAL FOOD MANAGEMENT and follow the many links. It is not too far-fetched to question any new-fangled global food management program. And it is important to raise ethical concerns about how food is being used as a lever for transformation.

The Truth:
“Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.” (Luke 5:30-31)

1. Transcript of American Public Media radio program “Speaking of Faith” with Krista Tippett hosting, Part II: Rick & Kay Warren, http://speakingoffaith.publicradio.org/programs/warren/transcript.shtml
2. Quote from a Larry Ross Press release http://www.alarryross.com/Client_Info.aspx?ID=37 and http://www.alarryross.com/PressRelease.aspx?ID=347 (8/6/08 ) “PASTOR RICK & KAY WARREN BRING TOGETHER LEADERS TO DISCUSS UNIFICATION OF EXPERTISE TO STOP HIV/AIDS: Saddleback Church Hosts International AIDS Conference Satellite Session on the Partnership of Government, Business & the Church.” Cited in an ASSIST News Service story published 8/6/08, “Pastor Rick & Kay Warren Bring Together Leaders To Discuss Unification Of Expertise To Stop HIV/AIDS: Saddleback Church Hosts International AIDS Conference Satellite Session on the Partnership of Government, Business & the Church,” by Dan Wooding. http://www.assistnews.net/Stories/2008/s08080030.htm


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RICK WARREN and his friends: “BIRDS OF A FEATHER…”

Posted by susanb99 on April 5, 2008

By Sue Winter B.S., M.Ed.

(More important than the letters behind my name is the fact that I came to the Lord Jesus Christ as a repentant sinner and was born again when I received the gift of salvation by accepting the Lord Jesus as my personal Savior. As a believer, for over 50 years, I am very troubled about what is happening in Rick Warren’s “purpose driven movement”. My first paper, found at www.abrahamicfaith.com/James/Rick-Warren_Authentic_or.html , deals with Rick’s writings which are changing the gospel and deceiving seekers. This paper about Rick Warren and his friends came about because so many of Rick’s close relationships openly embrace and promote the New Age and/or New Age teachings. As a result Rick is opening the door for them to now impact the church from within. I ask that you let the facts below speak for themselves and that you prayerfully share this warning as the Lord leads you in the coming days. )

“Birds of a feather flock together.”

Remember this childhood saying? There is truth in this. We are judged by the friendships we make, for good or for bad. We all know that a politician who would frequently socialize with gangsters and known criminals or who quotes them in his speeches would likely end up under some kind of investigation. Our associations do reflect something about who we really are and our friends do influence us for good or for bad. So, when as children we were advised by older people to “Choose your friends carefully,” we look back and realize that that was and is still very good advice.

With this in mind I began to wonder about some of the people Rick Warren is friendly with. I mean he quotes a number of people favorably, which implies that they are worthy of our consideration. Many of them I’d never heard of so, being curious, I began researching them and I was frankly shocked by what I found. My research also led me to all kinds of disturbing connections that Rick has in his life with people who hold to ideas that are anything but honoring to the Lord Jesus Christ.

People in this paper interact with Rick in various ways. They share similar views as noted by the fact that Rick:

· teaches with them at conferences or does audio tape messages with them

· with his personal endorsements, which are published within their books, has publicly promoted their agendas

· works with them on organizational governing boards to promote their common goals.

· has received their praises and endorsements which he publishes in his own works

· and he includes their writings on his website, thus approving of and promoting their beliefs

BUT, sadly, these are people who treasure and promote beliefs that show them to be anything but authentic followers of the Biblical Jesus. These friends of Rick Warren’s are basically enemies of the Cross and in spite of the admonition we’re given to NOT be unequally yoked with unbelievers Rick embraces them, elevates them and even promotes their work and worldviews. Hopefully having read this paper you will watch for their names , warn our young people and be alerted to be on guard yourselves.

Rick Warren…. who is he really? It is the intention of this paper to help the reader discern for themselves who or what is driving Rick Warren and this “Purpose Driven Movement” which is taking the country by storm. Surely Rick himself is “purpose driven” and one can only wonder what his real purpose is in light of his associations?… Read More… (PDF file)

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Uganda – The Second Purpose Driven Nation

Posted by susanb99 on March 31, 2008

The African country of Uganda will be the second purpose driven nation according to a Christian Post article, Rick Warren Launches ‘Purpose Driven’ Plan in Uganda.

Warren hopes “that lives will be transformed and churches will be strengthened. My message to individuals is to build your life on purpose, instead of prestige, possessions or pleasure. My challenge to churches is to cooperate, not compete, and my challenge to business and government leaders is to use their influence for the glory of God and partner with local churches in solving community problems.”

Warren is describing the 3-Legged Stool concept which was conceived by Peter Drucker, a business management guru, as a means to bring all societal sectors (private, public, social/faith-based) into one manageable, controllable roof. Frances Hesselbein of Leader To Leader Journal (Drucker Foundation) states it this way, “The mission of the social sector is to change lives. It accomplishes this mission by addressing the needs of the spirit, the mind, and the body — of individuals, the community, and society. This sector also provides individuals and corporations with a significant sphere in which to practice effective and responsible citizenship.”

We’re not witnessing some fly-by-night idea that maybe someday will come to fruition. The 3-Legged Stool AND the Purpose-driven philosophies are very neatly designed to fit into the Agenda 21 of the United Nations. The Agenda 21 is sustainable development criteria created to control people, under the guise of “meet[ing] the needs of the present without compromising the ability of the future generations to meet their own needs”. Throughout the Agenda 21 it is written about the connecting and intertwining of the three sectors.

Purpose-driven does not have its own doctrines or faith parameters. It is a shell of a program that anyone can use – corporations, Hindus, Episcopalians, Baptists, Muslims, Catholics, Charismatics, Rwanda, Uganada and yes, the United Nations, which is educating and pushing the annihilation of the Christian belief system; in fact, any system in which there are absolutes. Christianity is based on the absolute core doctrine of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Purpose-driven is based on alleviating social ills, with proof-texting references to scripture. Jesus Christ changes lives; He is our Hope. Purpose-driven is a program invented to give out medications, money, and false hope — a one-world religion at its ugly end.

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The Mosquito Factor

Posted by susanb99 on March 1, 2007

March 1, 2007 — We all know what mosquitoes are – pesky little flying, buzzing insects who survive on blood. Some people just brush them away, others are allergic to their bite, causing itching and swelling of the affected area, and some people contract debilitating or deadly diseases.

The steady errosion of the basic doctrines of Christianity, the very beliefs that Christianity is based on, is well-documented by Jesus Himself and also by the apostle Paul. There are numerous warnings: beware of false prophets, seducing spirits, doctrines of demons, protect yourself with the Armor of God from the wiles of Satan, the falling away from the faith by many (apostasy). Doctrinal errosion can be perceived as annoying or outright deadly. According to the Word of God, it is deadly; one’s very soul is at stake. Rick Warren is one who doesn’t bother “contending for the faith”. As long as he can work with a person or group spreading the “social gospel” of his PEACE Plan, he is quite content.

A pastor sent an email to James Sundquist of Rock Salt Publishing. Here is the email:

I’m persuaded to not endorse Warren’s teachings, but with all the truly dangerous enemies of the church around us, investing anything more than nominal time and resources attacking Rick Warren seems criminally wasteful.

The homosexuals, for example, are taking down centuries-old “mainstream”
denominations right and left with genuine heresy that threatens the very future
of Christianity in the world, and they (and their allies) now hold most of the
gate-keeping positions in academia, media and government in this country. Warren
is a mosquito of a problem by comparison.

There is a war going on here and we’re losing it because the church is distracted by far lesser matters.

Respectfully, your obvious talents are needed on the real battlefield.

(Name Withheld)

And here is James’ reply (edited):

Dear (Name Withheld),

Thank you for your reply. I am certainly glad that you are not persuaded to endorse Warren’s teachings. Nevertheless, I would like to respond to your objections:

1. If Warren is simply a mosquito of a problem why did you inquire of me for particulars on him?

2. If Warren is simply a mosquito, how has he sold 30 million books, virtually taken over denominations and even a country like Rwanda?

3. Tell the host of churches and families he has destroyed that he is just a mosquito…

4. The Apostle Paul calls Warrenite covenants such as forced tithing which are binding putting them back under the law…Is what Paul calls a curse simply a mosquito?

5. God himself curses anyone who tampers with the land of Israel which belongs to the Jews…which Warren promotes in his view on Israel and the alliances he has
formed….is this a mosquito too or a Global issue for the church? Is what God
calls a curse simply a mosquito?

6. Mainline churches have long abandoned the Gospel, so they are Ichabod (the Glory of the Lord has long been lifted from them) and they are the Church of Laodicia…

7. Marking false teachers and warning the flock when there are wolves in the sheepfold is not as you put it “criminally wasteful” but obedience to Christ’s commands and the Apostle Paul’s as well…

8. Ask leading evangelists in Africa like Loren Davis, or South African professor Johan Malan, or Kato Mivule (Christian Magazine editor in Africa), or Christo Pretorius or Andre L Immelman or Julius, the Editor of MIRACLE MAGAZINE in Kenya, or Dr. Hannes Opperman loristoabsa@absamail.co.za if Warren is a mosquito in Africa or a scourge?…

9. Since you list homosexuality as a dangerous enemy (and I agree), how is it possible for you to exclude Rick Warren as a dangerous enemy to the church when he IS in fact one of their allies…and says the following on Charlie Rose Show:

In the same vein, Warren said that we don’t have to have the same eligion or moral beliefs to work with people on poverty, disease, etc. As an example he said he just met with the President of the gay-activist group ACT UP, and asked him, “Eric [Sawyer], how can I help you get your message out?” Sawyer answered, “Use your moral authority.” Warren then said to Rose, “I’m working with these guys … I’m looking for a coalition of civility, which means let’s get back to the original meaning of

Warren has made a terrible distortion of what Scripture actually says…

10. Your great concern about those who “now hold most of the gate-keeping positions in academia, media and government in this country” are the very people who comprise Rick Warren’s three-legged stool (commerce, church, government) which he derived from his mentor Peter Drucker…

The fact remains even if he is a mosquito, he is a mosquito with Malaria that has given birth to myriads of swarms that have infected a host of swamps in many countries. And if you want to liken him to a mosquito, though small, to a little
leaven. A little leaven, leaveneth the entire lump, if left unpurged, or as you
put it “nominal time.” And would you like a list of the liberal elites that Warren had speak at his last AIDS Conference and his unholy alliances with Gay activitists and Abortion Rights activist and as you call them “their allies”?

No my friend, I have picked the right battlefield and ironically, it is in part the same one you are fighting on.

So do still think Rick Warren is not a real enemy and opposing him is criminally wasteful and a distraction?

Kindest regards in Christ,

James Sundquist

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The 3-Legged Stool

Posted by susanb99 on August 31, 2006

August 2006 — What is “The 3-Legged Stool”? Peter Drucker (1909-2005), a business management guru, came up with this idea as a means to bring all societal sectors into one manageable, controllable roof. Drucker believed that the only way to persuade the world to accept change is to engage all three sectors of society, working together to effect change. The three “legs” of the stool are:

a public sector of effective governments
a private sector of effective businesses
a social sector of effective community organizations [including faith-based organizations] The mission of the social sector is to change lives. It accomplishes this mission by addressing the needs of the spirit, the mind, and the body… (Leader To Leader Institute [Drucker Foundation]) (7th paragraph)

Rick Warren was mentored by Peter Drucker for several years and has been promoting the 3-legged stool concept with vigor. Now Warren is using the Stool Concept in conjunction with his P.E.A.C.E. Plan:

Plant churches (spiritual emptiness
Equip leaders (egocentric or corrupt leadership)
Assist the poor (poverty)
Care for the sick (disease)
Educate the next generation (illiteracy)

In an interview published in the July 30, 2006 issue of the Philippine Daily Inquirer, Rick Warren states that “spiritual emptiness” is the Number One problem in the world. I would assume he believes (if he believes the Bible) that “spiritual emptiness” is a lack of reconciliation to God through Jesus Christ, the lack of recognizing one’s depravity, repenting of one’s sins, turning away from worldly desires and pleasures, and putting all one’s trust in the One true God. Warren goes on to say that these problems are so big (the problems outlined in his PEACE Plan), that no one can solve them without the “3-legged stool” – the marrying of Government, Business, and Church.

Is that true? No, it is not. Warren has gone outside the Word of God, outside JESUS CHRIST, and in his own wisdom, has created a solution for the one most important thing, each person’s unique relationship with God. Instead of GOD doing GOD’s work, Warren is teaching governments, businesses, and churches to do WARREN’s work.

It is absolutely impossible for man’s wisdom to find a solution for the ills of this world, including egocentricity, poverty, disease, and illiteracy. Jesus said, “The poor you will always have with you.” Social ills can be relieved, but never eradicated. Did Jesus lie? No, He did not. Is Rick Warren lying? I don’t know if he is deliberately lying, but he does claim to be a preacher and pastor, so he should know WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS! Either he is ignoring God and His Word, or he doesn’t know God. Either way, God doesn’t have any part in what Warren is cooking up. And perpetuating spiritual bankruptcy is what Warren is all about.

Rick Warren, Atlanta – PEACE Plan

Excellent articles:
Rick Warren’s 3-legged Church
The RED 3-legged Stool
When the 3 Legs Intertwine
When the 3 Legs Intertangle
The Tyranny of 3-Legged Branding
Discernment Ministries Group

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